AK 225 bb deep river decision

grantorino

Villain is a little on the loose side, but has an idea what he is doing

Thoughts on turn check?
river c/f, c/c., b/f

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
grantorino	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£44.29
BB	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£55.32
	Your hole cards	A K
UTG	Fold
HJ	Fold
CO	Raise		£0.60	£0.90	£49.85
BTN	Call		£0.60	£1.50	£3.25
grantorino	Raise		£2.10	£3.60	£42.19
BB	Fold
CO	Call		£1.60	£5.20	£48.25
BTN	Fold
Flop
		8 K Q
grantorino	Bet		£2.60	£7.80	£39.59
CO	Call		£2.60	£10.40	£45.65
Turn
		A
grantorino	Check
CO	Bet		£5.20	£15.60	£40.45
grantorino	Call		£5.20	£20.80	£34.39
River
		Q

Jacquelyn

What was the result of this hand? They had KQ/AQ?

What was your reason for checking the turn?

I am not a great cash player, but I would have bet the turn again I think, don't know if that helps you or not?!

grantorino

I think I probably should bet turn, but reasoning at the time was not many hands I beat can call 2 streets and he might fire weaker hands if I check

I'll hold off on results until I hopefully get more opinions on how I should proceed on river

Tikay10

@grantorino

I'll move this to Poker Chat so that it gets more eyeballs & hopefully more responses.

H3nry

Hi Grantorino,

I've recently enjoyed you posting cash hands especially 200bb+ deep. For me this is the Rolls Royce version of poker as it is the least solved and most complex. It is one game where the best players can really excel and you can make the largest errors.

I will have a go at replying to this hand but I am no great authority.

Pre I would definitely squeeze larger from the small blind to nearer 15bb especially this deep.
On the flop I would consider checking TPTK this deep then going for two streets of value as you say in your post 'not many hands you beat can call two streets' and I much prefer a check bet bet line than a bet check turn line especially when your hand strength improves. 100bb deep I definitely bet and am happy to get it in with TPTK and if I am beat move on.
Once you check turn you obviously have to call then I am always playing in flow and checking river hoping we get a check back. I think we do then have to call a small bet as we could be up against the same hand but anything else we beat would be a bluff and very few players at this level would find a bluff here even happy to check back the straight on the paired board.
Even some bluffs on the turn QJ,QT get there on the river, how many are bluffing with AJ/AT, I think they are happy taking showdown. Its exploitable but any jam is probably a fold and feeling like you've been run over but I have been shown AQ,QQ,KQ, too many times in that situation.

Jac35

Jacquelyn said:

What was the result of this hand? They had KQ/AQ?

What was your reason for checking the turn?

I am not a great cash player, but i would have shoved pre!

FYP

Jacquelyn

whats FYP?

tomgoodun

Jacquelyn said:

whats FYP?

I must admit to being baffled by a lot of these (acronyms?)
This one is Fixed Your Post.

Although...in my twisted mind I can think of umpteen it could mean, but pretty sure this was Paul’s meaning.

grantorino

H3nry said:

Hi Grantorino,

I've recently enjoyed you posting cash hands especially 200bb+ deep. For me this is the Rolls Royce version of poker as it is the least solved and most complex. It is one game where the best players can really excel and you can make the largest errors.

I will have a go at replying to this hand but I am no great authority.

Pre I would definitely squeeze larger from the small blind to nearer 15bb especially this deep.
On the flop I would consider checking TPTK this deep then going for two streets of value as you say in your post 'not many hands you beat can call two streets' and I much prefer a check bet bet line than a bet check turn line especially when your hand strength improves. 100bb deep I definitely bet and am happy to get it in with TPTK and if I am beat move on.
Once you check turn you obviously have to call then I am always playing in flow and checking river hoping we get a check back. I think we do then have to call a small bet as we could be up against the same hand but anything else we beat would be a bluff and very few players at this level would find a bluff here even happy to check back the straight on the paired board.
Even some bluffs on the turn QJ,QT get there on the river, how many are bluffing with AJ/AT, I think they are happy taking showdown. Its exploitable but any jam is probably a fold and feeling like you've been run over but I have been shown AQ,QQ,KQ, too many times in that situation.

3 bet sizing in general seems to be bigger since I last played poker, and I think mine prob should be bigger OOP deep

Can you explain why you prefer check flop/bet turn to bet flop/check turn? You may well be right just interested in the reasoning

River I think is definitely a c/f. Cant see what he bets that I beat. Villain checked behind in this case but I'd prob have called a bet in game

grantorino

In case anyone interested I checked, villain checked back w JT. Thought it a poor check from him at the time ( and I would prob have called like a fish if he bet) but the more I think about it I think there is merit in his check