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Ak vs slow play 444

Williams12Williams12 Member Posts: 192
edited June 2023 in Poker Chat
I should have folded the ak?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Everton96Small blind15.0015.004230.00
ezyemBig blind30.0045.002452.50
Your hole cards
  • A
  • K
avggolferFold
Williams12Call30.0075.001730.00
wjbyrne111Call30.00105.001752.50
Everton96Fold
ezyemCheck
Flop
  • 4
  • Q
  • 6
ezyemBet52.50157.502400.00
Williams12Call52.50210.001677.50
wjbyrne111Call52.50262.501700.00
Turn
  • A
ezyemCheck
Williams12Bet180.00442.501497.50
wjbyrne111Fold
ezyemRaise802.501245.001597.50
Williams12Call622.501867.50875.00
River
  • 10
ezyemBet780.002647.50817.50
Williams12All-in875.003522.500.00
ezyemCall95.003617.50722.50
ezyemShow
  • 4
  • 4
Williams12Show
  • A
  • K
ezyemWinThree 4s3617.504340.00

Comments

  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 170,984

    @Williams12

    "I should have folded the ak?"


    At what stage do you think you should have folded it?
  • Williams12Williams12 Member Posts: 192
    Tikay10 said:


    @Williams12

    "I should have folded the ak?"


    At what stage do you think you should have folded it?

    when he came strong after my raise on the turn. felt like I'm beaten but it is hard to take a step back when ur in the flow
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 170,984
    edited June 2023

    Tikay10 said:


    @Williams12

    "I should have folded the ak?"


    At what stage do you think you should have folded it?

    when he came strong after my raise on the turn. felt like I'm beaten but it is hard to take a step back when ur in the flow


    I suppose we can get off the hand at various points, but very often we'd be winning there. For balance, we are not beating much, he could easily have K-J, A-Q, A-10, set of 6's, set of 4's.

    It's one of those awkward spots imo, & many folks go busto there.

    I do think not raising pre was a mistake. He still calls of course, but in the long term it's a better way to play A-K imo. We have a big hand, in the long-term we want to get some chips in the middle & try to win a decent pot.

    I would not beat yourself up about it, it's so much easier when we are looking through the rear-view mirror.

    Caveat; I quit NLH 15 years ago, I just play Omaha variants these days, so my advice is probably poo.

  • Asho28Asho28 Member Posts: 811
    edited June 2023
    Hi @Williams12

    As Tikay said, we should be raising pre-flop with a hand like AK. Obviously the pocket 4s would have still called here, but by not raising pre you let the big blind see a free flop with any 2 cards and can therefore have a VERY wide range of hands.

    As played, I would fold the turn. Once the villain puts in a massive check-raise, it screams of 2 pair and better. When you're in spots like this, you need to ask yourself what hands are they representing and what hands am I beating. Given the action pre-flop, the villain can have all combos of 2 pair (apart from AQ which should raise pre) and pocket 4s & 6s, so I don't think we beat much at all.
    In these micro-games, people barely bluff so I usually just give big bets/raises like this one the respect they deserve, unless I have specific notes on my opponent.

    By the river, we pretty much only beat a complete bluff.

    No need to beat yourself up, just make a note on how the villain played the hand and move on to the next one :smile:


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