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Table redistibutions.

EyemanEyeman Member Posts: 1,039
edited December 2011 in Poker Chat
I've mentioned this in answering a question in "that blog", but I'd like an official position on it.

When a player is taken from one table to fill a space at another table (to keep even player numbers), I was under the impression that it was the player in the big-blind that got moved. This doesn't happen on Sky - any reason?
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited May 2011
    also why does it seem when down to final 2 tables always get 4 of top 6 on 1 table consistently not just a 1 off??
  • leon621leon621 Member Posts: 266
    edited May 2011
    very good question i got moved late in a tourney with sky after being BB & SB to a table where they sat me where i was instantly BB again i payed that and SB, then repeated this again in which case i was now becoming a short stack and ended up losing as i was in jam or fold mode
  • EyemanEyeman Member Posts: 1,039
    edited May 2011
    I'm with you young-gun (although not in the moob department).

    I think someone told the programmer to take the big-stack (rather than the big blind) from the table. Thus the big stacks end up together. I have NEVER been at the sharp end of a tournie when there hasn't been 5 of the top 6 on 1 table (when down to 2 tables), and often 4 of the top 6 are on 1 table when we are at 30+ runners. Tikay assures me I'm wrong, but I can't see it.
  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    I'm with you young-gun (although not in the moob department). I think someone told the programmer to take the big-stack (rather than the big blind) from the table. Thus the big stacks end up together. I have NEVER been at the sharp end of a tournie when there hasn't been 5 of the top 6 on 1 table (when down to 2 tables), and often 4 of the top 6 are on 1 table when we are at 30+ runners. Tikay assures me I'm wrong, but I can't see it.
    Posted by Eyeman
    Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy lol yep i dont understand it as it always seems to happen so it cant be completely random imo and would love to hear sky's thoughts on this, on other sites it is very random and this doesn't happen? is it to do with the software?
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,868
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    I'm with you young-gun (although not in the moob department). I think someone told the programmer to take the big-stack (rather than the big blind) from the table. Thus the big stacks end up together. I have NEVER been at the sharp end of a tournie when there hasn't been 5 of the top 6 on 1 table (when down to 2 tables), and often 4 of the top 6 are on 1 table when we are at 30+ runners. Tikay assures me I'm wrong, but I can't see it.
    Posted by Eyeman
    The customer is always right. Except in this case. Fact. ;)
  • EyemanEyeman Member Posts: 1,039
    edited May 2011
    I'm prepared to accept this, Tikay, but not in the case of the high blind not being the player moved. Why?
  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions. : The customer is always right. Except in this case. Fact. ;)
    Posted by Tikay10
    Can you not get someone technical to post how they decide who is moved? i dont believe its random because so often when i run deep will always be all the bigstacks on 1 table thats just not coinicidence i reckno its probably a flaw in the software
  • kaymackaymac Member Posts: 1,437
    edited May 2011

    Many times in mtt's I have commented in the chat box that the average stack is x therefore the table should be 6x, approximately, and on more occassion than not, a high percentage of the larger stacks are on the same table.

    Only last night in a £2 bh mtt, I was on a table with 3 of the top stacks out of approx 40 runners!!!! 
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,868
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    I'm prepared to accept this, Tikay, but not in the case of the high blind not being the player moved. Why?
    Posted by Eyeman
    Thanks Graham.

    In B & M poker, it is always (or should always.....) be the Big Blind that is moved, & they are moved to the worst possible seat on their new Table.

    Generally, in Online Poker it is done randomly, by, I assume (I don't know for sure) the RNG.

    It is true to say that doing it this way, it sometimes disadvantages the moved player. But it would be equally fair to say that it just as often advantages the moved player. Poker players notice when it disadvantages them, & fail to notice when they get a "good" move.

    On balance, it confers no real advantage either way in the longer term. Poker, like life, is not always fair - we don't like it when a really good player is to our immediate left, & our mate, on the next Table, has a table full of not so good players. That's not fair, either, but it's how poker works, really.

    The same debate has raged for years in B & M poker, but really, I don't know why, we just need to ride with the punches, & remember that it cuts both ways, it just as often favours us as it does not.
  • EyemanEyeman Member Posts: 1,039
    edited May 2011
    As I speak - 2 tournaments at the sharp end. 5 of top 6 on 1 table (chip leader on other). In other tournament 13 players left. 3 of top 5 on 1 table. Other has 4 of top 5 (prepared to believe that's an even split). I wil lrevisit this thread throughout the day with updates!
  • EyemanEyeman Member Posts: 1,039
    edited May 2011
    30 players left on 5 tables. 3 of top 6 on 1 table. (I am not picking and choosing here)
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,868
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    Many times in mtt's I have commented in the chat box that the average stack is x therefore the table should be 6x, approximately, and on more occassion than not, a high percentage of the larger stacks are on the same table. Only last night in a £2 bh mtt, I was on a table with 3 of the top stacks out of approx 40 runners!!!! 
    Posted by kaymac
    "many times", yes, but by design (or by design fault), no.

    Did you not see the Semi-Final of the SPT at Leeds last week, which was a LIVE Tourney? 

    All the big stacks were on 1 table, & that is often the case. "Many times" in fact.

    There is nothing sinister about it, nothing at all. Why would there be? I mean, really, why would there be? Why is it in anyone's interest to mess with random distribution? The motive is what, exactly?

    People complain about this (why? - I WANT the big stacks on my table ffs!), so presumably, they prefer to be on the Table full of shorties. I've yet to see someone complain about that being on a table full of shorties, though....... 
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,868
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    As I speak - 2 tournaments at the sharp end. 5 of top 6 on 1 table (chip leader on other). In other tournament 13 players left. 3 of top 5 on 1 table. Other has 4 of top 5 (prepared to believe that's an even split). I wil lrevisit this thread throughout the day with updates!
    Posted by Eyeman
    Graham, a few random examples proves nothing, & you know it. Your sample size needs to be 6 or 7 figures, 100,000+ examples, not a handful.

    You seem to be fixated about this - don't be, it makes no sense, think motive.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,868
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions. : Can you not get someone technical to post how they decide who is moved? i dont believe its random because so often when i run deep will always be all the bigstacks on 1 table thats just not coinicidence i reckno its probably a flaw in the software
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    It is random.

    It is not a flaw in the software.

    "Selective memory" plays some wonderful tricks on poker players.

    How exactly do you explain what happened at Leeds last SAturday, in the Semi-Final of the SPT, & it happens frequently, everywhere, Live & Online.

    Anf why, as a mstter of interest, do you consider it a bad thi8ng.

    I'll bet you all the tea in China that ANY (long-term) winning MTT player WANTS to be on the Table with the Big Stacks, all day & all night. How else do they get chips, & become winning players?
  • EyemanEyeman Member Posts: 1,039
    edited May 2011
    I don't think it's a "fix", I think it's a software misprogramme. If you always moved the high blind (why wouldn't you), then we'd all be happy.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,868
    edited May 2011

    Guys, it's a self-perpetuating & myth & a self-fulfilling prophecy, all this "the big stacks are always on one table, it's unfair".

    They are not, & it is not.



  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,868
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Table redistibutions.:
    I don't think it's a "fix", I think it's a software misprogramme. If you always moved the high blind (why wouldn't you), then we'd all be happy.
    Posted by Eyema
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    If only........;)
  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited May 2011
    Its not a case of sky rigging it to this affect i said it could be a flaw, its not selective memory i and loads of players i speak with think the same. i dont believe in any of the rigged theories but it does seem strange that all the big stacks always seem to end up together? maybe you are unaware and the software always moves the big stack? again i dont know im just enquirying and no offence Tikay you probably dont know as your not the one who designed the software is there anyone technical who can explain how works thats all im asking really
  • EyemanEyeman Member Posts: 1,039
    edited May 2011
    By doing something non-standard, you give credence to the fix. It is no harder sortware-wise, to always move the high blind - then you comply with normal poker-tournament rules.
    Much as it's good to be with the big-stacks, there are occasions early in tournaments, when it's great to be the chip bully. I accept that when I triple up and knock 2 players out, my table is likely to split, and so i might find myself on a table where someone else has just been knocked out (hence another big stack).
    As you say, it's all perception, BUT shift the high blind when nicking 1 player from the table, and I think the conspiracy theorists (who are normally content) will be appeased.
  • MAXALLYMAXALLY Member Posts: 17,647
    edited May 2011


    Still not sure whether this is going to get moved to Technical Queries or Area51....

    carry on...as you were.
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