Its not a case of sky rigging it to this affect i said it could be a flaw, its not selective memory i and loads of players i speak with think the same. i dont believe in any of the rigged theories but it does seem strange that all the big stacks always seem to end up together? maybe you are unaware and the software always moves the big stack? again i dont know im just enquirying and no offence Tikay you probably dont know as your not the one who designed the software is there anyone technical who can explain how works thats all im asking really Posted by YOUNG_GUN
It would be strange if they did, but they do not. That is a fact.
"seem" is the operative word.
I have no idea how the software is programmed, & I don't think, being logical, I need to. It's equally illogical to suggest it is a BAD thing to be on the "big stacks" Table, & players in their thousand repreat that mantra. That does not make it any more logical, or even correct.
when balancing the tables sky always take the player that is about to become the dealer. once you know this it is very easy to predict who will be moved and I do so with 100% accuracy
I didnt say its a negative just a mere observation i have made, it has its pros and cons like everything can win more chips so you have better chance of winning & also changes the whole dynamics
all i have asked if there is a specific rule re: moving people, obviously it evens tables out but is there anything else? Tikay i respect you alot but surely you cant answer this question? one would assume everything is hunky dory
In Response to Re: Table redistibutions. : Graham, a few random examples proves nothing, & you know it. Your sample size needs to be 6 or 7 figures, 100,000+ examples, not a handful. You seem to be fixated about this - don't be, it makes no sense, think motive. Posted by Tikay10
I didnt say its a negative just a mere observation i have made, it has its pros and cons like everything can win more chips so you have better chance of winning & also changes the whole dynamics all i have asked if there is a specific rule re: moving people, obviously it evens tables out but is there anything else? Tikay i respect you alot but surely you cant answer this question? one would assume everything is hunky dory Posted by YOUNG_GUN
when balancing the tables sky always take the player that is about to become the dealer. once you know this it is very easy to predict who will be moved and I do so with 100% accuracy Posted by sweetylady
I actually noticed this last time someone shifted. If it is consistent, this is appalling. You've just paid the blinds and can look forward to stealing / making moves from the button. An easy bit of software jiggery-pokery to sort it out please, Sky.
I like getting moved to a big stacks table cause they seem to like to play every hand and spew the thing that does confuse and bother me though is a quite a few times i will pay my sb & bb then get moved to another table and instantly be put in the BB again which ends up when late in a tournament and blinds are not getting any smaller making me one of the short stacks, but the getting moved to the big stacks tables doesn't bother me aslong as i get the double ups i want of course )
when balancing the tables sky always take the player that is about to become the dealer. once you know this it is very easy to predict who will be moved and I do so with 100% accuracy Posted by sweetylady
Sweetylady is correct. When there are two tables are remaining and a bust out means a player gets moved it is always the player who would have been dealer that goes. Lea116311 noticed this and pointed it out to me, it is 100% reliable.
It might be reliable but then surley thats not right. Imagine sitting with 10BB on the bubble +1 move onto the bubble youve just posted your blinds and now had 8.5BB still a reasonable shoving stack which will likley pick you back to 10BB within the next few hands, but your the guy thats moved and pay again. Now you have 7BB and are at a huge disadvantage.
C'Mon sky.
Not going to get involved in this debate too much but seriously theres a time and thats not one.
Don, it's clear Sky ave made a serious programming error here. If they are moving the player due to be on the button, it's a disgrace, and one that adversely affects the small stacks (as you say - pay 2 blinds, then lose the option to try and make them back - move to another table, and possibly straight into the BB again).
I love Sky Poker, Tikay, but you can't defend this (I've just watched a tournament to see, and it's true).
Don, it's clear Sky ave made a serious programming error here. If they are moving the player due to be on the button, it's a disgrace, and one that adversely affects the small stacks (as you say - pay 2 blinds, then lose the option to try and make them back - move to another table, and possibly straight into the BB again). I love Sky Poker, Tikay, but you can't defend this (I've just watched a tournament to see, and it's true). Posted by Eyeman
i fully agree graham. I base my whole mid-late part of a tourny of stealing one set of blinds on average per circle. This means my stack wont go up or down until i find a spot to either double or go broke. By moving me means i need to steal 2 sets of blinds to just break even before i even worry about my double.
Then again i know everyone can be at the same disadvatage but if im short aproching FT bubble or the bubble(in a tournament ive satelitted thorugh) it could destory my stack and there for effects the whole dynamics of the game for not just me but all others on the table im moving to which in turn effects the rest of the game.
I dont think i can complain however, as i do teand to either pic up a vast number or chips or go broke early in my attempt to win, and i know youve admited your similar. However its not just 2 players we're talking about here, i think the vast majority of online sky players dont always go for the win the way me and you would. A number of them set targets like pass the bubble, then ladder from there and only think about winning on FT. These are the players who will be the biggest hit. And lets face it if they get annoyed and dont play then theirs no value in the players like us playing tournaments as that 90% of a field gone.
This is just my opinion and i could be way off the mark.
The RNG has nothing to do with table re-balancing. That is the job of any sub-routines built into the overall programme. These are same family of sub-routines that handle the distribution of the cards AFTER the RNG has produced a randomised sequence of cards.
Next time you are moved take a look at the old table you were on. Has your place been filled by another player? If so why were you moved? It's happened to me and I don't understand it at all.
The RNG has nothing to do with table re-balancing. That is the job of any sub-routines built into the overall programme. These are same family of sub-routines that handle the distribution of the cards AFTER the RNG has produced a randomised sequence of cards. Next time you are moved take a look at the old table you were on. Has your place been filled by another player? If so why were you moved? It's happened to me and I don't understand it at all. Posted by elsadog
This coul simply be a number of exits at a similar time. You move to balance, within a minute 4 more players go, and your old seat is filled.
In Response to Re: Table redistibutions. : This coul simply be a number of exits at a similar time. You move to balance, within a minute 4 more players go, and your old seat is filled. Posted by Eyeman
Yes I've played long enough to have worked that one out. I mean immediately you are moved.
You are programmed to move mid hand, so if you're on the button, as utg+1 is folding, it may suddenly be decided that you are to move at the end of the hand.
You still have to sit there until the hand is over, which can be up to a minute.
During that minute, things might happen elsewhere so that the table you left, needs to be re-balanced to 6 handed again.
Theres a delay between when it's decided you will move, and when you actually do move.
Which explains why a seat could be vacated and then immdiately re-filled.
if your table loses a player at the point when the remaining players divide equally between 6, that is you lose 67th place, 73rd place, 91st place etc your table will always be broken up and fill the empty seats on other tables.
sometimes in this instance you will get moved to the big blind (because it is the only spare seat) and have to pay it but this is just bad luck and unavoidable. if the empty seat you get moved to should be the small blind you don't pay it (but you don't get any cards either and have to 'wait')
during a tournament if one of the tables gets down to 4 or 3 handed when there are tables that are 6 or 5 handed a player needs to be moved to balance the tables. this will be the person who is about to be the dealer button on the table whose current hand finishes the soonest.
in these instances the player moved has a choice of seats and will always be moved to the seat closest to the dealer button.
Tikay i have tweeted you regarding something else when you get a chance, dont worry its not a moan Regards john Posted by YOUNG_GUN
I have spent all of today clearing a backlog of PM's, FB Messages, Twitter DM's, & e-Mails, John, most of which were variations of "why does Sky Poker fix it so that the Big Stack/Short Stack/bloke with big feet always wins?" sort of thing, & it takes me forever to reply to Twitter DM's, so I'll reply here, to save time.
Q1
Neil Channing
Julian Thew
Nik Persaud
Redmond Lee
Ian Fraser
Carlo Citrone
Sam Razavi
Wayne Rideout
Paul Jackson
Q2
I don't know, but subject to further Edit, within the next 2 to 3 weeks, I would hope. There will be 6 x 2 hour episodes.
In Response to Re: Table redistibutions. : I have spent all of today clearing a backlog of PM's, FB Messages, Twitter DM's, & e-Mails, John, most of which were variations of "why does Sky Poker fix it so that the Big Stack/Short Stack/bloke with big feet always wins?" sort of thing, & it takes me forever to reply to Twitter DM's, so I'll reply here, to save time. Q1 Neil Channing Julian Thew Nik Persaud Redmond Lee Ian Fraser Carlo Citrone Sam Razavi Wayne Rideout Paul Jackson Q2 I don't know, but subject to further Edit, within the next 2 to 3 weeks, I would hope. There will be 6 x 2 hour episodes. More news soon. Posted by Tikay10
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"seem" is the operative word.
I have no idea how the software is programmed, & I don't think, being logical, I need to. It's equally illogical to suggest it is a BAD thing to be on the "big stacks" Table, & players in their thousand repreat that mantra. That does not make it any more logical, or even correct.
I didnt say its a negative just a mere observation i have made, it has its pros and cons like everything can win more chips so you have better chance of winning & also changes the whole dynamics
all i have asked if there is a specific rule re: moving people, obviously it evens tables out but is there anything else? Tikay i respect you alot but surely you cant answer this question? one would assume everything is hunky dory
C'Mon sky.
Not going to get involved in this debate too much but seriously theres a time and thats not one.
I love Sky Poker, Tikay, but you can't defend this (I've just watched a tournament to see, and it's true).
Regards
john
Then again i know everyone can be at the same disadvatage but if im short aproching FT bubble or the bubble(in a tournament ive satelitted thorugh) it could destory my stack and there for effects the whole dynamics of the game for not just me but all others on the table im moving to which in turn effects the rest of the game.
I dont think i can complain however, as i do teand to either pic up a vast number or chips or go broke early in my attempt to win, and i know youve admited your similar. However its not just 2 players we're talking about here, i think the vast majority of online sky players dont always go for the win the way me and you would. A number of them set targets like pass the bubble, then ladder from there and only think about winning on FT. These are the players who will be the biggest hit. And lets face it if they get annoyed and dont play then theirs no value in the players like us playing tournaments as that 90% of a field gone.
This is just my opinion and i could be way off the mark.
sometimes in this instance you will get moved to the big blind (because it is the only spare seat) and have to pay it but this is just bad luck and unavoidable. if the empty seat you get moved to should be the small blind you don't pay it (but you don't get any cards either and have to 'wait')
during a tournament if one of the tables gets down to 4 or 3 handed when there are tables that are 6 or 5 handed a player needs to be moved to balance the tables. this will be the person who is about to be the dealer button on the table whose current hand finishes the soonest.
in these instances the player moved has a choice of seats and will always be moved to the seat closest to the dealer button.
Q1
Neil Channing
Julian Thew
Nik Persaud
Redmond Lee
Ian Fraser
Carlo Citrone
Sam Razavi
Wayne Rideout
Paul Jackson
Q2
I don't know, but subject to further Edit, within the next 2 to 3 weeks, I would hope. There will be 6 x 2 hour episodes.
More news soon.