In Response to Re: DYM Diary! Lambert's In Town : ok cheers, do you find you search player once then note player and don't search again - best way to go about it ? When you look in lobby you can not see your notes though can you, real pain. Posted by rancid
Yeh like you said you can't see notes from the lobby so I don't, but I do tend to keep a mental note of bad players who play quite often.
I generally use sharkscope if I'm trying a game above my BR, or if I'm having a downswing at my current buyin level, eg last week I had a £30 downswing so I started scoping to get my confidence back and won 8 out of 9 next games which brought me back up nicely.
Ohh and soon i'm gonna have my first proper attempt at the £11s, i'll be scoping each lobby before I join to give myself the best chance, at the very least it's a confidence boost
It will show you their lifetime stats, but I think you can narrow it down like last 200 games or similar things like that.
@ YG - Yeah I think it's a mixture of both things you said. More so me not being in the right mind frame though, cos I'm pretty confident I can beat the best of 'em at this level.
Good playing with you tonight, hope you ended up with a decent profit, I'm sure you did. I've just been on that thread you asked me about and posted some thoughts. Hope it doesn't come off in a bad way, just thought there might be a couple of things to look at. FWIW, I can never fold that on the river lol, ul.
Also just to comment about you kicking off sessions badly. I have done this countless times in the past, lol. I do definately think there's a correlation there, because I used to literally roll out of bed and be playing within 5 minutes. Once I saw the problem, I started going down for breakfast (or at least a cuppa) first, then there was a notable improvement. I think it could be the same with you (albeit you sit down straight after work). Basically, I think you just need to do something, it doesn't matter what, whatever suits you personally, so that you can sit down and say, 'Ok, I'm ready to play well'. I really like rancid's post on the subject, not sure how much of it was slightly tongue in cheek, but some great ideas there I think.
Just a final point, which applies a lot more when your playing more tables tbh. It took me a while to work this out when it should be the most obvious thing in the world really. If you load a few games up, of course you're more likely to lose some at first, a win generally takes 40 minutes. A couple of coolers could happen in levels 1 or 2. So it looks like you're, say, 0/2 when really your not as your still alive in the others. Hmmmm, hope that makes some sense I'm pretty tired lol.
Yeah that makes sense JC, thanks for the comments. Yeah you're right, it was my own fault, it was my eagerness to get in lots of volume which made me jump on the laptop within minutes of getting home and loading up 2 DYMs and play them while getting myself settled. I did change it tonight, got home, had some dinner, checked out the forum a bit, then decided to start about 7pm.
I was going to question you about that actually... you said in your guide that if you're gonna stick to the 22 BI rule then you should play no more than 2 tables. So I have been sticking to playing 2 tables, but you said you me you were going onto mini view which I only do if I'm playing more than 2 tables due to space on screen (so I assume this is the case for you). What are your thoughts on BRM if I was to play 3-4 at a time??
Profit update for tonight's session is coming next!
Bit of a better session than the last 2 days. Still not hugely profitable but I felt alot better about it tonight, didnt jump on as soon as I got home and was in a better mindset when I sat down to play. So I played 17, won 10.
Played 310 Won 176 Profit/Loss +£55.80 Win Rate 56.77%
Well I broke through the 300 games mark tonight and I managed to make about £7 of profit which is quite welcome after my last 2 sessions...
Leaving it a bit last minute if I do intend to make it to 2000 Poker Points but hey it's still do-able lol. But I wont be pushing, sacrificing the quality of my game just to get more volume in.
Poker Points = 1489 League Points = 1211 League Rank = 59th (still got a lot of work to do, almost a 1/3 of the way through the quarter now)
Yeah that makes sense JC, thanks for the comments. Yeah you're right, it was my own fault, it was my eagerness to get in lots of volume which made me jump on the laptop within minutes of getting home and loading up 2 DYMs and play them while getting myself settled. I did change it tonight, got home, had some dinner, checked out the forum a bit, then decided to start about 7pm. I was going to question you about that actually... you said in your guide that if you're gonna stick to the 22 BI rule then you should play no more than 2 tables. So I have been sticking to playing 2 tables, but you said you me you were going onto mini view which I only do if I'm playing more than 2 tables due to space on screen (so I assume this is the case for you). What are your thoughts on BRM if I was to play 3-4 at a time?? Profit update for tonight's session is coming next! Posted by Lambert180
Hmmmm, good question that. I actually had to check what I wrote which is a touch embarrassing lol. Looking back, though, it does make sense and those are my thoughts. Bankroll Management is all about risk-aversion really, it's as simple as that. So a pro needs more buy-ins than a semi-serious recreational player needs more than a totally recreational player etc. In that sense, you're bankroll management rules are really up to you. I didn't mean to say that you can never play more than two tables with only 20 buy-ins. For example, I'm playing with 20 buy-ins and 6-tabling. I allow that, though, because of the experience I have playing DYMs.
Why I wouldn't recommend 4 tabling with 20 buy-ins is because I wouldn't want anyone to lose 20% of their 'roll through misfortune, tilt or poor play. Easily done. If you're asking for my honest opinion on what sort of roll/tables you should be playing, I would say the following. These figures are because I know you are quite serious about the challenge and about building your bankroll up:
20 buy-ins for 2 tabling 30 buy-ins for 3 tabling 40 buy-ins for 4 tabling
Obviously play as many tables as you are comfortable with, don't just load 4 up because you have 40 buy-ins at a level, stick with 3 if that's more comfortable, or whatever. Also, tailor those figures as you see fit if I have misunderstood your position, ie risk aversion level.
Just hit a nice winning streak of getting paid 10 x DYMs in a row.
Point I was trying to make in an earier post Lambert is that I feel there is a leak in your game. You are too aggressive. DYMs aren't the same as cash games or multi-table tourneys. Its a different mindset - its still poker BUT you aren't trying to be first. If you go all in you are putting ALL your chips at risk. You were chip leader, put all your chips in and lost half your chips - ask yourself, why? A smaller but still big bet would probably be sufficient to bump people off unless they have a good starting hand. If you go all in pre-flop and you get called and you haven't got a cracking starting hand the chances are you are in trouble.
You have 3000 chips, say. Blinds are 200 - 400 and you have AK. You are UTG, what do you bet? I would say about 1200. 2.5 to 3x the big blind in that situation will make all but serious good starting hands fold. If you get re-raised what do you do? You know its very likely the re-raise has a very good starting hand. With AK you may well call, in DYM I would probably fold - yes fold with an AK. I've still got 1800 chips left if I fold.
Why? If I call I'm all in. Chances are I'm behind and I have to hit to win. But the thing is I have a choice. I can take in to account what I know about that player and the size of their chip stack. If I'm already all in I don't have a choice. And if I've got raised in that situation the chances are I've been raised by a big pair.
Cash game - no way am I folding. MTT, 80% - 90% of the time I'm not folding. DYMs 80% - 90% of the time I will be folding.
The DYM mindset is tight, tight, tight.
How many times have you seen 2 big stacks slugging it out in DYMs? Lots. Stupid. If you go in to the flop with big stack, 2nd big stack and 1 other, and then the 1 other folds to a raise post flop, do you then go all out to win that hand? No. You've already done what you needed to do and that is to make sure that one of the smaller stacks loses their chips.
Unless you have the nuts, if 1st and 2nd stack are left in the pot then what you do is keep the pot as small as you can and either get a moderate win or minimise your loses. Your not trying to beat the 1st or 2nd stack you are trying to make sure that youe keep down and put out the 4th, 5th and 6th stack.
Yes, this will mean that sometime you will get bullied of a pot. I don't care. As long as 1 of the first 3 stacks wins and one of the last 3 stacks loses, its job done. I want the big stack to win chips, even if I'm not big stack because that means one of the smaller stacks has just lost chips and I'm closer to the money.
Anyway, its late, I'm probably a bit drunk and maybe I'm rambling but I know the way I play works for me - I'm currently getting 17% avg ROI on DYMs which isn't too shabby. Admittedly I'm not playing the same volume of games as you but I'm well in profit and just about bankrolled to move up to £11 DYMs.
By the way, I reserve the right to totally change the way I play when we meet on the tables ^_^
Not a great session tonight in terms of financial gain lol but I think I'd played pretty well and I just got unlucky in a few races on the bubble. Had pocket 44s beat me twice, once I had QQ, and once I had AJs (ok so it's a flip) and he flops quads! lol. So played 12 and only won 6
Played 322 Won 182 Profit/Loss +£49.80 Win Rate 56.52%
Still plodding along, pretty happy with my game, just need a bit of run good (or at least just not run bad) to help give my BR a bit of a boost so I can give the £11 games a whirl. Sadly didn't make it to 2000 points but at least I got £15 C4P. Definitely do better in November though...
You have 3000 chips, say. Blinds are 200 - 400 and you have AK. You are UTG, what do you bet? I would say about 1200. 2.5 to 3x the big blind in that situation will make all but serious good starting hands fold. If you get re-raised what do you do? You know its very likely the re-raise has a very good starting hand. With AK you may well call, in DYM I would probably fold - yes fold with an AK. I've still got 1800 chips left if I fold Posted by Doubleblow
Raise/folding with AK in late stages is simply not profitable
Yes, agreed with Shanx and Fail.... I dunno what it is but people must think I'm rubbish and keep coming here giving me bad or really basic DYM advice lol. I more than welcome advice from the likes of JC, Shanx, Fail, seasoned winners, but no offence but I think I'm better than about 80% of the people I've seen at this level so far.
Yes, agreed with Shanx and Fail.... I dunno what it is but people must think I'm rubbish and keep coming here giving me bad or really basic DYM advice lol. I more than welcome advice from the likes of JC, Shanx, Fail, seasoned winners, but no offence but I think I'm better than about 80% of the people I've seen at this level so far. Posted by Lambert180
If it's not relevant just ignore it m8'ty, can't really stop people posting on a public forum but you can ignore )
Yeah I know, it's just funny more than anything, people being patronising and explaining to me that DYMs are about 'survival and not coming 1st place' lol, like I didn't realise that about 300 games ago. I more than welcome good useful advice but stuff like that is like saying to Tikay don't open limp into a hand lol.
Yeah I know, it's just funny more than anything, people being patronising and explaining to me that DYMs are about 'survival and not coming 1st place' lol, like I didn't realise that about 300 games ago. I more than welcome good useful advice but stuff like that is like saying to Tikay don't open limp into a hand lol. Posted by Lambert180
lol I hear ya, sometimes the best advice is the basic's though )
Once you have played a lot sometimes people just forget the fundamental's and get caught with the he knows i know...
Aint had a session for a day or two now, but did have a forum SnG £2 PLO last night with a few regs like IrishRover and Shanxta and managed to come 2nd and have a bit of fun.
Gonna get a good session in tonight after my dinner.
Aint had a session for a day or two now, but did have a forum SnG £2 PLO last night with a few regs like IrishRover and Shanxta and managed to come 2nd and have a bit of fun. Gonna get a good session in tonight after my dinner. Posted by Lambert180
gl LAMB......might bump into you for a game or two
Pretty decent session tonight if not a bit on the short side. Played 8, won 6. I did come 2nd in a £2 PLO SnG with some of the forum regs but I won't be including that in my profit/winrate etc (not like it would make any sort of noticable difference lol)
Played 330 Won 188 Profit/Loss +£65.78 Win Rate 56.97%
Only managed to get £15 in C4P last month, but definitely aiming to beat that this month, and definitely need to get myself up a few places in the STT leaderboard this month to put myself in good shape for the final month of the quarter.
Not the worst session in the world but another losing one. It was going terrible but managed to win 7 in a row towards the end to get it back on track. Won 10 out of 21.
Played 351 Won 198 Profit/Loss +£50.30 Win Rate 56.41%
Comments
I generally use sharkscope if I'm trying a game above my BR, or if I'm having a downswing at my current buyin level, eg last week I had a £30 downswing so I started scoping to get my confidence back and won 8 out of 9 next games which brought me back up nicely.
Ohh and soon i'm gonna have my first proper attempt at the £11s, i'll be scoping each lobby before I join to give myself the best chance, at the very least it's a confidence boost
@ YG - Yeah I think it's a mixture of both things you said. More so me not being in the right mind frame though, cos I'm pretty confident I can beat the best of 'em at this level.
Good playing with you tonight, hope you ended up with a decent profit, I'm sure you did. I've just been on that thread you asked me about and posted some thoughts. Hope it doesn't come off in a bad way, just thought there might be a couple of things to look at. FWIW, I can never fold that on the river lol, ul.
Also just to comment about you kicking off sessions badly. I have done this countless times in the past, lol. I do definately think there's a correlation there, because I used to literally roll out of bed and be playing within 5 minutes. Once I saw the problem, I started going down for breakfast (or at least a cuppa) first, then there was a notable improvement. I think it could be the same with you (albeit you sit down straight after work). Basically, I think you just need to do something, it doesn't matter what, whatever suits you personally, so that you can sit down and say, 'Ok, I'm ready to play well'. I really like rancid's post on the subject, not sure how much of it was slightly tongue in cheek, but some great ideas there I think.
Just a final point, which applies a lot more when your playing more tables tbh. It took me a while to work this out when it should be the most obvious thing in the world really. If you load a few games up, of course you're more likely to lose some at first, a win generally takes 40 minutes. A couple of coolers could happen in levels 1 or 2. So it looks like you're, say, 0/2 when really your not as your still alive in the others. Hmmmm, hope that makes some sense I'm pretty tired lol.
Keep up the good work anyway mate...
I was going to question you about that actually... you said in your guide that if you're gonna stick to the 22 BI rule then you should play no more than 2 tables. So I have been sticking to playing 2 tables, but you said you me you were going onto mini view which I only do if I'm playing more than 2 tables due to space on screen (so I assume this is the case for you). What are your thoughts on BRM if I was to play 3-4 at a time??
Profit update for tonight's session is coming next!
Bit of a better session than the last 2 days. Still not hugely profitable but I felt alot better about it tonight, didnt jump on as soon as I got home and was in a better mindset when I sat down to play. So I played 17, won 10.
Played 310
Won 176
Profit/Loss +£55.80
Win Rate 56.77%
Well I broke through the 300 games mark tonight and I managed to make about £7 of profit which is quite welcome after my last 2 sessions...
Leaving it a bit last minute if I do intend to make it to 2000 Poker Points but hey it's still do-able lol. But I wont be pushing, sacrificing the quality of my game just to get more volume in.
Poker Points = 1489
League Points = 1211
League Rank = 59th (still got a lot of work to do, almost a 1/3 of the way through the quarter now)
Paul
Why I wouldn't recommend 4 tabling with 20 buy-ins is because I wouldn't want anyone to lose 20% of their 'roll through misfortune, tilt or poor play. Easily done. If you're asking for my honest opinion on what sort of roll/tables you should be playing, I would say the following. These figures are because I know you are quite serious about the challenge and about building your bankroll up:
20 buy-ins for 2 tabling
30 buy-ins for 3 tabling
40 buy-ins for 4 tabling
Obviously play as many tables as you are comfortable with, don't just load 4 up because you have 40 buy-ins at a level, stick with 3 if that's more comfortable, or whatever. Also, tailor those figures as you see fit if I have misunderstood your position, ie risk aversion level.
Point I was trying to make in an earier post Lambert is that I feel there is a leak in your game. You are too aggressive. DYMs aren't the same as cash games or multi-table tourneys. Its a different mindset - its still poker BUT you aren't trying to be first. If you go all in you are putting ALL your chips at risk. You were chip leader, put all your chips in and lost half your chips - ask yourself, why? A smaller but still big bet would probably be sufficient to bump people off unless they have a good starting hand. If you go all in pre-flop and you get called and you haven't got a cracking starting hand the chances are you are in trouble.
You have 3000 chips, say. Blinds are 200 - 400 and you have AK. You are UTG, what do you bet? I would say about 1200. 2.5 to 3x the big blind in that situation will make all but serious good starting hands fold. If you get re-raised what do you do? You know its very likely the re-raise has a very good starting hand. With AK you may well call, in DYM I would probably fold - yes fold with an AK. I've still got 1800 chips left if I fold.
Why? If I call I'm all in. Chances are I'm behind and I have to hit to win. But the thing is I have a choice. I can take in to account what I know about that player and the size of their chip stack. If I'm already all in I don't have a choice. And if I've got raised in that situation the chances are I've been raised by a big pair.
Cash game - no way am I folding. MTT, 80% - 90% of the time I'm not folding. DYMs 80% - 90% of the time I will be folding.
The DYM mindset is tight, tight, tight.
How many times have you seen 2 big stacks slugging it out in DYMs? Lots. Stupid. If you go in to the flop with big stack, 2nd big stack and 1 other, and then the 1 other folds to a raise post flop, do you then go all out to win that hand? No. You've already done what you needed to do and that is to make sure that one of the smaller stacks loses their chips.
Unless you have the nuts, if 1st and 2nd stack are left in the pot then what you do is keep the pot as small as you can and either get a moderate win or minimise your loses. Your not trying to beat the 1st or 2nd stack you are trying to make sure that youe keep down and put out the 4th, 5th and 6th stack.
Yes, this will mean that sometime you will get bullied of a pot. I don't care. As long as 1 of the first 3 stacks wins and one of the last 3 stacks loses, its job done. I want the big stack to win chips, even if I'm not big stack because that means one of the smaller stacks has just lost chips and I'm closer to the money.
Anyway, its late, I'm probably a bit drunk and maybe I'm rambling but I know the way I play works for me - I'm currently getting 17% avg ROI on DYMs which isn't too shabby. Admittedly I'm not playing the same volume of games as you but I'm well in profit and just about bankrolled to move up to £11 DYMs.
By the way, I reserve the right to totally change the way I play when we meet on the tables ^_^
Good luck!
Not a great session tonight in terms of financial gain lol but I think I'd played pretty well and I just got unlucky in a few races on the bubble. Had pocket 44s beat me twice, once I had QQ, and once I had AJs (ok so it's a flip) and he flops quads! lol. So played 12 and only won 6
Played 322
Won 182
Profit/Loss +£49.80
Win Rate 56.52%
Still plodding along, pretty happy with my game, just need a bit of run good (or at least just not run bad) to help give my BR a bit of a boost so I can give the £11 games a whirl. Sadly didn't make it to 2000 points but at least I got £15 C4P. Definitely do better in November though...
October Poker Points = 1554
League Points = 1253
Paul
Gonna get a good session in tonight after my dinner.
Pretty decent session tonight if not a bit on the short side. Played 8, won 6. I did come 2nd in a £2 PLO SnG with some of the forum regs but I won't be including that in my profit/winrate etc (not like it would make any sort of noticable difference lol)
Played 330
Won 188
Profit/Loss +£65.78
Win Rate 56.97%
Only managed to get £15 in C4P last month, but definitely aiming to beat that this month, and definitely need to get myself up a few places in the STT leaderboard this month to put myself in good shape for the final month of the quarter.
November Poker Points = 42
League Points = 1301
Paul
Not the worst session in the world but another losing one. It was going terrible but managed to win 7 in a row towards the end to get it back on track. Won 10 out of 21.
Played 351
Won 198
Profit/Loss +£50.30
Win Rate 56.41%
November Poker Points = 147
League Points = 1371
Paul