settle a debate. Staddling +EV or -EV

The_Don90

Ok had a debate with Dohhhh (who may i add has never played live)

I rekon straddling in cash is +EV for a number of factors, however he rekons its -EV


So to the polls.

Also if you like id like your answers and why if you dont mind.

pod1

i need another box. "dont know"

DOHHHHHHH

I cannot imagine how voluntarily posting a third blind without looking at your cards could ever be more +ev than playing normally.

There are some v specific situations where I'd imagine it would be a good idea, but in general if you'll surely lose money doing it ?????

If I'm wrong about this I will cry and never play poker again.

Also dunno how never having played live has anything to do with anything? 

We should have had a bet on this......tenner ????

YOUNG_GUN

-ev Stupido , it can be profitable but it makes the stakes your playing higher so its going to be worse in the long run

if your going to play in a straddled game make sure A) your well rolled b) you have a big edge

The_Don90

In Response to Re: settle a debate. Staddling +EV or -EV:

-ev Stupido , it can be profitable but it makes the stakes your playing higher so its going to be worse in the long run if your going to play in a straddled game make sure A) your well rolled b) you have a big edge
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

so it allows us to build the pot twice as quick.

DOHHHHHHH

^^ so does looking at ur cards normally and opening alot of pots utg!

even if you open 80% of ur range utg, it's still better than being forced to open 100% of it?

Dudeskin8

If you want the stakes to be higher why not just play a bigger game full stop ?

bandini

If everyone's doing it it's surely neutral EV unless you have an edge over the table?

If it's just you then you're playing more and higher pots out of position so surely -EV?

TommyD

The act of you straddling is -ev.

Convincing a whole table of players you have an edge over to straddle is +ev.

rancid

In Response to Re: settle a debate. Staddling +EV or -EV:

The act of you straddling is -ev. Convincing a whole table of players you have an edge over to straddle is +ev.
Posted by TommyD

+1

Convincing a table of worse players to straddle and raise the stakes in the game, is the best move you can make.

DTWBANDIT

   hey don why would you want to get involved with straddling in the first place m8 !!!

GREGHOGG

gotta be -ev, its a third blind, and playing from the blinds is nearly always -ev

scotty77

So minus EV but if the game is super super deep like its 1-1 and most of the people are 300bb deep and you can get the whole table to do it then it probably becomes +ev, assuming you have an edge on the game.

So funny when you see people sat with 30bb suddenly putting it on tho.  

But yeah if your not doing it and everyone is then it is good for the game.

I sometimes double/triple straddle for the lolz tho in the hope that I will find the aces in there one day.

JockBMW

I was playing live cash on Thursday when a young man asked me why it was I never straddle.  My Relpy.... "Because I'm not an Idiot" seemed to confuse him more than a bit.

I think you know which way I'm voting Don ;o)

Tikay10

Think everyone is missing one key point - the ability of the straddler.

Essentially, it's up's the gamble quotient, which is fine if that's your thing.

But if you (not you personally, I don't mean....) are no good at poker, you'll be no good at straddling, essentially, & you'll just lose your money more efficiently - that is to say, lose it quicker.

A bad player straddling will just become badder.

Forget things like straddling Don, it's like checking in the dark, or floating, peeps think it's cool because it is different, & some of the big boys do it, so they try to mimic it.

Keep it simple, forget the fancy dan stuff, & just grind out a small profit repeatedly. Now THAT is cool.

GaryQQQ

Depends.

Neither if all players are of equal skill.

+ev if you're the best player at the table.

-ev if you're the worst player at the table.

DOHHHHHHH

Just to clear up the discussion was about voluntarily straddling when it's your turn to play UTG.

Not to try and get the whole table straddling, which is a totally different debate.

Bit daft really as how can voluntarily playing the most important part of the hand without looking at your cards ever be a better idea than playing it having looked at your cards???!!!

Tikay10

In Response to Re: settle a debate. Staddling +EV or -EV:

Depends. Neither if all players are of equal skill. +ev if you're the best player at the table. -ev if you're the worst player at the table.
Posted by GaryQQQ

...and if you think you are, then you are almost cerrtainly not.....!

I also think if all the players are of equal skill, it's -ev. It's not like you see your cards before straddling.

A good player, with a good hand, knowing there is a straddler who must almost certainly Raise to optimise the straddle, will pick up a nice pot pre after limping in & setting the trap for the hapless straddler. 

I NEVER straddle, but I love playing on Tables where there is a straddle permitted, it is ALWAYS +ev for me.

Tikay10

In Response to Re: settle a debate. Staddling +EV or -EV:

Just to clear up the discussion was about voluntarily straddling when it's your turn to play UTG. Not to try and get the whole table straddling, which is a totally different debate. Bit daft really as how can voluntarily playing the most important part of the hand without looking at your cards ever be a better idea than playing it having looked at your cards???!!!
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

EvilPingu

Why straddle? Why not just move up a level. Voted -ev for the reasons that DOHHHHHH posted in Post #3.

scotty77

In Response to Re: settle a debate. Staddling +EV or -EV:

Why straddle? Why not just move up a level. Voted -ev for the reasons that DOHHHHHH posted in Post #3.
Posted by EvilPingu

cos live poker ain't like online.  its either 1/1 or 1/2 usually in most places.  sometimes you'll find a .50/1.