In Response to Re: Join James & Rich on...THE CASH CRUSADE! : Tell you what, Tommy- when I wipe out your bankroll on the cash tables, I'll be sure to say 'Ho, ho, ho" to make it even more Christmassy for you ;-) Posted by RICHORFORD
In a rather sick way there's a part of me that hopes you do crush me. And not just for the Santa impressions. Would be great to see you both storm this.
Good luck to both of you with this new project. It would be a good idea if your sessions would be broadcasted some time in the channel. I hope you enjoy it and earn some cash also...:) Posted by GreekWay
That remains a distinct possibility.
At the very least, this thread should provide a springboard for an interesting on-air discussion about cash strategy.
In Response to Re: Join James & Rich on...THE CASH CRUSADE! : Well ok, but only because you out lasted me in the World record tourney. If you are short stacking I have this advice. You are looking for two situations IMO. 1) A situation versus a Laggy opponent in a HU pot where you have a slightly above marginal hand and stronger. You want the LAG to bet into you and get themselves pot-stuck or so much invested that they will call your shove with a wide range of dubious strength just because of how little it is left to call. These spots will normally involve you or the villain in the blinds. Second pair is the effective nuts for you to shove over a C-Bet or flop donk lead. 2) (NB: This one applies more to 20-30 BB stacks rather than 40BB) A situation where you can get a preflop/flop shove called in 3+ spots and you have a a good multi-way hand. For instance, a raise from a serial raiser gets called in 2 spots, you're in the BB with 78s. This is a shove for me and I am hoping the original raiser doesn't ISO but does call to bring in everyone else. I'm shoving all pairs and all middle suited cons in this spot but I'm less likely to shove with junky unsuited broadway cards that are easily dominated (KJo is a fold). Finally take raise/fold out of your playbook. It doesn't exist now. If you are going to C-Bet, probably just shove (or if you're OOP throw in the old C/R shove C-bet). Hope some of this helps. I have looked at short stacking as a tactic but very rarely done it. And I am sincere when I say good luck to both of you. Well, mostly. Posted by TommyD
i think james and rich should have a bankroll challenege on this who ever has the most cash at the end of december the losing player has to do a forfeit no cheating tho both start with same money and play same level blinds Posted by IDONKCALLU
I'm up for it- I'll leave it to James to decide. If he's anything like Tikay when it comes to these challenges they'll be the distinct sound of clucking chickens, followed by muchos white-flag waving and throwing in of towelage...
In Response to Re: Join James & Rich on...THE CASH CRUSADE! : Well ok, but only because you out lasted me in the World record tourney. If you are short stacking I have this advice. You are looking for two situations IMO. 1) A situation versus a Laggy opponent in a HU pot where you have a slightly above marginal hand and stronger. You want the LAG to bet into you and get themselves pot-stuck or so much invested that they will call your shove with a wide range of dubious strength just because of how little it is left to call. These spots will normally involve you or the villain in the blinds. Second pair is the effective nuts for you to shove over a C-Bet or flop donk lead. 2) (NB: This one applies more to 20-30 BB stacks rather than 40BB) A situation where you can get a preflop/flop shove called in 3+ spots and you have a a good multi-way hand. For instance, a raise from a serial raiser gets called in 2 spots, you're in the BB with 78s. This is a shove for me and I am hoping the original raiser doesn't ISO but does call to bring in everyone else. I'm shoving all pairs and all middle suited cons in this spot but I'm less likely to shove with junky unsuited broadway cards that are easily dominated (KJo is a fold). Finally take raise/fold out of your playbook. It doesn't exist now. If you are going to C-Bet, probably just shove (or if you're OOP throw in the old C/R shove C-bet). Hope some of this helps. I have looked at short stacking as a tactic but very rarely done it. And I am sincere when I say good luck to both of you. Well, mostly. Posted by TommyD
Good advice, Tommy and thanks for your well-wishing too.
Let me throw this into the mix- is there any value in opening up say, 6 tables- shortstacked at each and every one, and then fold away on each table until you hit a hand pre-fop and then just shove the lot?
So most the time, everyone else will fold, but occasionally you'll get that cal and if your hand hold up, you get the double up and you leave the table and start aghain on a new table shorttsacked?
It's not pretty poker, but over the course of a couple of hours will I make more money this way? Or will I be throwing away opprotuniteis by piling all my money in pre-flop with KK and getting no callers- or worse, gettiing called and getting beat thereby losing my entire stack. Or woul losing my stack on two tables be more than offset by doubling up on 3 or 4 others? And would this be the ratio?
haha rich good idea tho hey i see greghogg and the don have there own bankroll challenege throughout decamber so thats y i thought of it really yeah both decide what the forfeit would be maybe the loser wheres summit silly on a sky poker show 1 nite lol Posted by IDONKCALLU
I think the winner gets to decide what film the loser has to watch!
I'm thinking already of Transformers 3, Look Who's Talking Now and Hannah Montana for James.
Any other suggestions?
Actually, I seem to remember he HATED Avatar- so I could order him to sit through the director's extended cut of that!
Short stacking is two moves, pre flop and on the flop – good luck with that ) I would say it’s very similar to 15-25 bb MTT play, which would probably suit James style of play. Deep stack (100-200bb) just allows more room for play and draws, plus a greater chance to win more. I can see the sharks licking there lips !!! btw is this your own money ? Posted by rancid
It's not my own money to start with, Rancid. but heck, I might be temtped to use my own account if I find a format/level/style that seems to work for me!
When you say shortstacking is two moves: preflop and postflop- do you mean that you shouldn't really be involved in hands on the turn and river at all?
In Response to Re: Join James & Rich on...THE CASH CRUSADE! : It's not my own money to start with, Rancid. but heck, I might be temtped to use my own account if I find a format/level/style that seems to work for me! When you say shortstacking is two moves: preflop and postflop- do you mean that you shouldn't really be involved in hands on the turn and river at all? Posted by RICHORFORD
Good luck to both of you with this new project. It would be a good idea if your sessions would be broadcasted some time in the channel. I hope you enjoy it and earn some cash also...:) Posted by GreekWay
If you guys get on any of the Master Cash tables we will definitely try and get them out on the channel. Maybe Richard or James might get featured on Top Of The Pots.......... then again probably not
In Response to Re: Join James & Rich on...THE CASH CRUSADE! : Well ok, but only because you out lasted me in the World record tourney. If you are short stacking I have this advice. You are looking for two situations IMO. 1) A situation versus a Laggy opponent in a HU pot where you have a slightly above marginal hand and stronger. You want the LAG to bet into you and get themselves pot-stuck or so much invested that they will call your shove with a wide range of dubious strength just because of how little it is left to call. These spots will normally involve you or the villain in the blinds. Second pair is the effective nuts for you to shove over a C-Bet or flop donk lead. 2) (NB: This one applies more to 20-30 BB stacks rather than 40BB) A situation where you can get a preflop/flop shove called in 3+ spots and you have a a good multi-way hand. For instance, a raise from a serial raiser gets called in 2 spots, you're in the BB with 78s. This is a shove for me and I am hoping the original raiser doesn't ISO but does call to bring in everyone else. I'm shoving all pairs and all middle suited cons in this spot but I'm less likely to shove with junky unsuited broadway cards that are easily dominated (KJo is a fold). Finally take raise/fold out of your playbook. It doesn't exist now. If you are going to C-Bet, probably just shove (or if you're OOP throw in the old C/R shove C-bet). Hope some of this helps. I have looked at short stacking as a tactic but very rarely done it. And I am sincere when I say good luck to both of you. Well, mostly. Posted by TommyD
In Response to Re: Join James & Rich on...THE CASH CRUSADE! : I think the winner gets to decide what film the loser has to watch! I'm thinking already of Transformers 3, Look Who's Talking Now and Hannah Montana for James. Any other suggestions? Actually, I seem to remember he HATED Avatar- so I could order him to sit through the director's extended cut of that! Posted by RICHORFORD
No . Get him in front of something long and Russian with no subtitles or dubbing. n Response to Re: Join James & Rich on...THE CASH CRUSADE! : Posted by tiercel[/QUOTE
Sadly I fear James would enjoy that.
Btw- have you considered renaming yourself Tinsel, just for the Xmas period?
Right back to the matter in hand- Does anyone have advice for me on shortstacking on Wednesday night?
In Response to Re: Join James & Rich on...THE CASH CRUSADE! : It's not my own money to start with, Rancid. but heck, I might be temtped to use my own account if I find a format/level/style that seems to work for me! When you say shortstacking is two moves: preflop and postflop- do you mean that you shouldn't really be involved in hands on the turn and river at all? Posted by RICHORFORD
In Response to Re: Join James & Rich on...THE CASH CRUSADE! : He means you'll be all in by then. Posted by Poker_Fail
OK- ty Poker_Fail. So basically you're sticking the lot in pre-flop, or if you can call a small bet for value and hit the flop hard, you stick it all in then?
What's the upper limit for a short-stack i.e. how many BBs do you need to have before this doesn't apply? 20? 30?
One major factor in this will be that everyone knows you.
This will cause1 or a mixture of these 3 things.
1. Everyone knows what your doing and will just avoid playing you except very strong hands as they know your likely to shove it in on any flop.
2. Because of who you are you will get called light (opposite to 1.) You won't be able to make any steals and will find yourselves waiting for premiums and getting 7 callers on a 6 handed table.
3. Higher staked players will follow you where ever you go and try and "do you" therefore you will not really be playing 10nl as such, more like 50 / 100nl but just at 10nl stakes.
IMO the only way you could get this to work properly is to do it on an unknown account.
Goodluck with it though, and like others have said, I hope you both crush it!
One major factor in this will be that everyone knows you. This will cause1 or a mixture of these 3 things. 1. Everyone knows what your doing and will just avoid playing you except very strong hands as they know your likely to shove it in on any flop. 2. Because of who you are you will get called light (opposite to 1.) You won't be able to make any steals and will find yourselves waiting for premiums and getting 7 callers on a 6 handed table. 3. Higher staked players will follow you where ever you go and try and "do you" therefore you will not really be playing 10nl as such, more like 50 / 100nl but just at 10nl stakes. IMO the only way you could get this to work properly is to do it on an unknown account. Goodluck with it though, and like others have said, I hope you both crush it! Posted by FlashFlush
Cheers Charles, good points. I think I may have to go undercover as well at various points during the month to have proper exam conditions.
In Response to Re: Join James & Rich on...THE CASH CRUSADE! : I think the winner gets to decide what film the loser has to watch! I'm thinking already of Transformers 3, Look Who's Talking Now and Hannah Montana for James. Any other suggestions? Actually, I seem to remember he HATED Avatar- so I could order him to sit through the director's extended cut of that! Posted by RICHORFORD
I can recommend any of the barbie movies. Barbie fashion fairytale is particually, errrrmmm, different from most films James will like . Good luck to both of you and may you both run good
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At the very least, this thread should provide a springboard for an interesting on-air discussion about cash strategy.
Short stacking is two moves, pre flop and on the flop – good luck with that )
I would say it’s very similar to 15-25 bb MTT play, which would probably suit James style of play.
Deep stack (100-200bb) just allows more room for play and draws, plus a greater chance to win more.
I can see the sharks licking there lips !!!
btw is this your own money ?
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