DYM disaster

wenelinho

Ok so i decided id have some fun on the DYM thing. i dont have the patience for cash or the time for tourneys thought it might be a good way to get my poker fix.

Started great in less than a week i managed to turn an £80 BR into 150 and i was thinking why have i never played these? In my heightened state of enthusiasm for the game i have even taken the effort to read about them in grater detail.

Life is good when your winning but along comes a little thing called variance, 11 games in a row without a cash!!!!!! yeah you read it right 11.  Now i know what you are probably thinking just another muppet blaming the world for poor play and i really wish you were right but out of them 11 i would like to say 8 of them i did the correct thing, I keep coming up against AA when i have KK or KK when i have QQ i push from the D with 99 and the SB has kk. As you can imagine it is starting to ware just a tad thin on me.

Now by no means am i blaming the site or think that some how its rigged because sky for some reason dont like me thats just silly. im not even saying that i have no room for improvement because lets face it, if that was true i wouldnt be coming on here righting this post.

So to the point of this essay when does variance just become plain bad luck and if anybody has any advice it would be much appreciated.

love chris xxx  

oynutter

 Sounds like reasonably standard bad luck to me wenelinho, a couple of mistakes mixed with a few unlucky match ups, and 11 games can easily go by without a cash, just as 15 or so cashes in a row are easily possible.

 There's a thread called " abc of dym's by johnoconnor"--- certainly worth a read I'd say--gl

wenelinho

thanks oynutter i have read that article by johnconnor even saved it to my fav list some very interesting ideas in it,  i'd say i already did about 70% of what he says play tight pick your spots loosen up towards the end, but always room for improvement.  I was just thinking maybe with DYM the point is just to break even but to play enough games to get a decent cash for points return just an idea 

oynutter

Ain't got a clue mate, I flappin hate them--lol---structure too fast, and low stakes rake too high imo-- I consider them a gamblers game at low stakes, I would consider them with 10 min blinds, but definitely not 5 mins-- wrong side of slightly silly I think.

wenelinho

maybe it is something that could be suggested DYM deep stack could work. the game would last 1.5 hours at least though i do agree with the rake being to high on them makes them very difficult but you do only need to win 55% of the time to be a winning player surely its do able 

DOHHHHHHH

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maybe it is something that could be suggested DYM deep stack could work. the game would last 1.5 hours at least though i do agree with the rake being to high on them makes them very difficult but you do only need to win 55% of the time to be a winning player surely its do able 
Posted by wenelinho

*cries*

wenelinho

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In Response to Re: DYM disasaster : *cries*
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

why the tears ?

debdobs_67

Dohh cries as he would prefer a nice 10k startin stack and 30 min blinds )

wenelinho

haha well if i had the time for that i would just be playing MTT's love them but when i have to be up for work the call of bed time is too much to resist 

oynutter

You would need to win a lot more than 55% of the time to actually win money mate!-- The rake is well over 10% at low stakes innit. If you win 55% of games, you lose money.

debdobs_67

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You would need to win a lot more than 55% of the time to actually win money mate!-- The rake is well over 10% at low stakes innit. If you win 55% of games, you lose money.
Posted by oynutter

Yep at lowish stakes even 70-80% only gives a little profit , we need 5% rake to make these do able

Lambert180

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You would need to win a lot more than 55% of the time to actually win money mate!-- The rake is well over 10% at low stakes innit.
Posted by oynutter

I do believe you only need a winrate of 55%+ to be in profit at the levels where rake is 10%

oynutter

Aye, which is why I consider them a waste of space

Anyone will tell you, we have campaigned to get these changed, except Orford obviously

oynutter

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In Response to Re: DYM disaster : I do believe you only need a winrate of 55%+ to be in profit at the levels where rake is 10%
Posted by Lambert180

 I don't think so Lambert, and rake is over 10% until you get up to 5 quid ones.

work it out on paper mate--- win two--- lose two--- you've lost a quid at 5.50 games

wenelinho

lol would be nice just to have the option.  just lost another all in AKs SB calls with 44 i flop top pair with the flush draw turn 4 river blank.

GRRRRRRRR!!!! now im no maths wizz would like to know what the odds of me winning on the flop were. ok im done 4 hours of grining and im down for the night at least i have broken my 11 game loosing streak  

debdobs_67

In Response to Re: DYM disaster:

In Response to Re: DYM disaster :  I don't think so Lambert, and rake is over 10% until you get up to 5 quid ones.
Posted by oynutter

I think lambert will see you are correct here mr nutter , as will all players on this site (except orford obviously)

Lambert180

In Response to Re: DYM disaster:

In Response to Re: DYM disaster :  I don't think so Lambert, and rake is over 10% until you get up to 5 quid ones.
Posted by oynutter

Yeah it's the £5.50s that I used to play.

If you play 100 games, you stake £550, and per win you get £10, so you need to win 55 of the 100 to get your £550 back, then anything over 55 games (or 55%) is profit.

Lambert180

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lol would be nice just to have the option.  just lost another all in AKs SB calls with 44 i flop top pair with the flush draw turn 4 river blank. GRRRRRRRR!!!! now im no maths wizz would like to know what the odds of me winning on the flop were. ok im done 4 hours of grining and im down for the night at least i have broken my 11 game loosing streak  
Posted by wenelinho

Well assuming he only has 2 outs (the 2 fours), then there's only about an 8% of him hitting it on the turn or river

Lambert180

P.S. I think the 10% rake starts at £3 games but I can't be bothered to go look, but I'm definitely right about the win rate

oynutter

I would try to master the low stakes cash tables if I were Wene, watch some higher stakes ones, and visit the clinic, surely more profitable, at least when you win, you have actually won, innit.

 A few days, and 20 or 30 quid, and you will have the hang of it, make notes on every player you see, and make a seperate list of atm machines--- when you get good, and know your players, find games where the average pot is very high, try to make it look like you are as mad as them at first, then tighten up, but flat calling where you can, just so they don't notice how tight you are playing.

          most of all    FLOPPA WHOPPA!!!

oynutter

In Response to Re: DYM disaster:

In Response to Re: DYM disaster : Yeah it's the £5.50s that I used to play. If you play 100 games, you stake £550, and per win you get £10, so you need to win 55 of the 100 to get your £550 back, then anything over 55 games (or 55%) is profit.
Posted by Lambert180

 If you win 60% of games, it takes ten games to win a fiver, is it worth the bother?