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£10 BH - Call or Fold

MP33MP33 Member Posts: 6,237
in The Poker Clinic
1/11 - Top 13 paid

He has limped before this hand so i,m putting him on a strong hand

Should i have just flatted or maybe even shoved ?

And as played do i call the 4bet Shove?

Thx

Hand History #1522497128 (23:53 06/07/2020)
Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance
Danyo0 Small blind 600.00 600.00 5520.00
MP33 Big blind 1200.00 1800.00 42128.50
Your hole cards
J
A

andymis Fold
thecheetha Fold
xxxxx Raise 2400.00 4200.00 25332.00
Diamondwc Fold
Danyo0 Fold
MP33 Raise 4800.00 9000.00 37328.50
xxxx All-in 25332.00 34332.00 0.00
MP33

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  • MP33MP33 Member Posts: 6,237
    edited July 2020
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Danyo0Small blind600.00600.005520.00
    MP33Big blind1200.001800.0042128.50
    Your hole cards
    • J
    • A
    andymisFold
    thecheethaFold
    xxxxxRaise2400.004200.0025332.00
    DiamondwcFold
    Danyo0Fold
    MP33Raise4800.009000.0037328.50
    xxxxxAll-in25332.0034332.000.00
    MP33Fold<
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  • tonyp142tonyp142 Member Posts: 33
    edited July 2020
    If I was 3-bet folding against a 20bb stack I'd rather do it with a bluff than with a hand as strong as ace jack off.

    I think I like shoving it pre at this stack depth as long as he isn't really tight. You'll pick up the pot a lot and be live sometimes with a bounty to win when he calls.

    You win 3bb all the times he folds his KJ, KQ, A9 type hands which feels like a decent %. If he folds his pairs then you pick it up pre and when he calls with TT and below you'll be flipping against him which is okay as you can win the bounty.

    It's the kind of spot when in game you feel really stupid when he calls your shove with QQ+ AQ+ but I don't think this happens enough.

    Probably prefer shove followed by call but never raise.
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  • chappo100chappo100 Member Posts: 116
    You are going to put yourself in a whole world of what do I do when he flats or 4bets, easy to make mistakes post flop. preflop depends on how wide you think he is open min raising, but shoving probably good against aggro people calling against more passive opponents is probably better than shoving but I dunno in real time I imagine I just shove without reads.

    just on the 4bet note I think we need 36%. to call to breakeven and we probably have about 30% against an AQs AKo TT+ range. So think we lose about 3 more BB when we call after the 4bet happens compared to when we fold to 4bet.
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  • MP33MP33 Member Posts: 6,237
    Cheers guys
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  • Itsover4uItsover4u Member Posts: 1,534
    Click back raises are gross and just a bad idea in general. OOP you want to be raising like 3.5x - 4x this will mitigate you having to play the hand OOP when you get flats. However this seems like a pretty easy flat from the BB and go from there
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