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Running Well?

HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 37,989
edited March 12 in Poker Chat
Can I fold this?

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
HAYSIESmall blind150.00150.0033600.00
lJAMESlBig blind300.00450.0028522.50
Your hole cards
  • Q
  • J
smellbl1ndFold
ILIKE2FISHFold
Sharki0Raise600.001050.006540.00
HAYSIECall450.001500.0033150.00
lJAMESlCall300.001800.0028222.50
Flop
  • 10
  • 9
  • 10
HAYSIECheck
lJAMESlCheck
Sharki0Check
Turn
  • K
HAYSIEBet900.002700.0032250.00
lJAMESlRaise2400.005100.0025822.50
Sharki0Fold
HAYSIERaise6450.0011550.0025800.00
lJAMESlAll-in25822.5037372.500.00
HAYSIECall20872.5058245.004927.50
HAYSIEShow
  • Q
  • J
lJAMESlShow
  • 9
  • 10
River
  • 4
lJAMESlWinFull House, 10s and 9s58245.0058245.00

Comments

  • Asho28Asho28 Member Posts: 824
    edited March 10
    Hi,

    Unpleasant spot but feels like we shouldn't stack off in this hand personally, especially given how deep we are.

    James' small raise size after your bet looks nutted to me - would he really go that small with a hand like T8 or A10 on a board like that?

    When we 3-bet and then get 4-bet shoved, what worse hands are you putting him on? Would trips put all those chips in there? Doubt it.

    Personally, my preferred line would probably be to call the raise and then call a river bet unless it's massive/overbet. If he bets a smaller size on the river, we could consider a small raise if you think he could have trips.
    As played though, I would probably find fold to the shove (albeit easy to say that in hindsight!)

    Interested to know what others think.
  • JammyFkerJammyFker Member Posts: 496
    IMO 95bbs on a paired board vs an uncapped range in the bb who checked flop, and now wants to stick it all on vs the initial 3bbs on the turn - think of the amount of so many better spots we would have in this tourney with 15 min blinds and no bounty. Not something you want to do very often unless you have a few 110 tickets spare and are intending to run up the chip lead in the rebuy period B)

    Personally flat the 2400 on turn vs someone who is clearly capable of bluffing and again IF they are bluffing we allow them to continue betting on the river instead of forcing them out of the pot and telling them we have a real hand - with the intention of check calling the river and if they have it we lose the minimum and extract the maximum when they are getting giddy.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 9,084
    edited March 10
    Poker is a lot easier when you can see the cards ;)

    Play on the flop is standard. It's the Turn that is tricky. Easy to say when we can see the opponent's cards that the 6450 raise is a mistake. But the upside (without seeing the cards) is that there may well be a lot of 10x hands that want to see a River card. When we should be charging them now for that.

    I'd like to think I would have got away from this cheaper, either by flatting the 2400 or folding to the shove. But I am not sure that I would.

    I had this identical scenario v the eventual winner at SPT Vegas a few years ago. Where I folded to the shove. And have wondered ever since whether I did the right thing...
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 37,989
    I wouldnt argue with any of you.
    Flatting the 2,400 makes sense.
    Then check calling a river bet within reason, not calling a shove, would have still left me a decent stack.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 37,989
    edited March 12
    Running well?




    To give this a bit of context, the guy shoves 4 hands on the bounce.
    First this.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Badreg69Small blind600.00600.0029496.00
    JessieakBig blind1200.001800.0014330.00
    Your hole cards
    • 10
    • K
    HAYSIEFold
    flopstub14All-in31202.0033002.000.00
    flop2hardFold
    Badreg69Fold
    JessieakFold
    flopstub14Muck
    flopstub14Win3000.003000.00
    flopstub14Return30002.000.0033002.00
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 37,989
    Then this.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    JessieakSmall blind600.00600.0013730.00
    HAYSIEBig blind1200.001800.0045000.00
    Your hole cards
    • 10
    • A
    flopstub14All-in33002.0034802.000.00
    flop2hardFold
    Badreg69Fold
    JessieakFold
    HAYSIEFold
    flopstub14Muck
    flopstub14Win3000.003000.00
    flopstub14Return31802.000.0034802.00
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 37,989
    Then this.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    HAYSIESmall blind600.00600.0044400.00
    flopstub14Big blind1200.001800.0033602.00
    Your hole cards
    • 3
    • 3
    flop2hardFold
    Badreg69Fold
    JessieakFold
    HAYSIERaise1800.003600.0042600.00
    flopstub14All-in33602.0037202.000.00
    HAYSIEFold
    flopstub14Muck
    flopstub14Win4800.004800.00
    flopstub14Return32402.000.0037202.00
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 37,989
    So I call, number 4.
    And this happens.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    flopstub14Small blind600.00600.0036602.00
    flop2hardBig blind1200.001800.0031927.00
    Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
    Badreg69Fold
    JessieakFold
    HAYSIERaise2400.004200.0040200.00
    flopstub14All-in36602.0040802.000.00
    flop2hardFold
    HAYSIECall34802.0075604.005398.00
    flopstub14Show
    • J
    • A
    HAYSIEShow
    • Q
    • A
    Flop
    • Q
    • J
    • 2
    Turn
    • 8
    River
    • J
    flopstub14WinThree Jacks75604.0075604.00
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 37,989
    Then just to rub it in.
    This.
    I get the last few in and get 4 callers.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    JessieakSmall blind600.00600.0017930.00
    HAYSIEBig blind1200.001800.004198.00
    Your hole cards
    • K
    • Q
    flopstub14Raise2400.004200.0073204.00
    flop2hardCall2400.006600.0028927.00
    Badreg69Call2400.009000.0022896.00
    JessieakCall1800.0010800.0016130.00
    HAYSIEAll-in4198.0014998.000.00
    flopstub14Call2998.0017996.0070206.00
    flop2hardCall2998.0020994.0025929.00
    Badreg69Call2998.0023992.0019898.00
    JessieakCall2998.0026990.0013132.00
    Flop
    • 3
    • 2
    • 9
    JessieakCheck
    flopstub14Check
    flop2hardCheck
    Badreg69All-in19898.0046888.000.00
    JessieakFold
    flopstub14Fold
    flop2hardFold
    Badreg69Unmatched bet19898.0026990.0019898.00
    HAYSIEShow
    • K
    • Q
    Badreg69Show
    • 7
    • J
    Turn
    • J
    River
    • 2
    Badreg69WinTwo Pairs, Jacks and 2s26990.0046888.00
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