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Mum from Surrey arrested and held in cell for seven hours after confiscating kids’ iPads

HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,757
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,757

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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 176,349
    HAYSIE said:


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/mum-surrey-arrested-held-cell-104548385.html




    Jeez.


    So many parts of that story take my breath away. Including - & and especially - the way the Police handled it. They had nothing better to do, it seems...
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,757
    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/mum-surrey-arrested-held-cell-104548385.html




    Jeez.


    So many parts of that story take my breath away. Including - & and especially - the way the Police handled it. They had nothing better to do, it seems...
    They cant cover burglaries.
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 9,190
    edited April 12
    Back in the day, I dealt with many cases like this. Because it is not as unusual as the Paper makes it appear.

    Now-I am not saying that this case is the same as others. But my money is on the following facts also being relevant:-

    1. The i-pads were bought by the childrens' father
    2. The father has custody of the kids
    3. The mother has a right for contact with her children at agreed times
    4. The i-pads go "missing" and the mother refuses to tell the father ("the man in his 40s") where they are. There were likely previous issues-why else did the man in his 40s have a tracker device in them?
    5. He calls the police, suspecting she has stolen them (or just a part of their regular control issues)
    6. Police get involved
    7. The 2 parents then decide this (their) behaviour is harming their children, and blame the police
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,757
    Essexphil said:

    Back in the day, I dealt with many cases like this. Because it is not as unusual as the Paper makes it appear.

    Now-I am not saying that this case is the same as others. But my money is on the following facts also being relevant:-

    1. The i-pads were bought by the childrens' father
    2. The father has custody of the kids
    3. The mother has a right for contact with her children at agreed times
    4. The i-pads go "missing" and the mother refuses to tell the father ("the man in his 40s") where they are. There were likely previous issues-why else did the man in his 40s have a tracker device in them?
    5. He calls the police, suspecting she has stolen them (or just a part of their regular control issues)
    6. Police get involved
    7. The 2 parents then decide this (their) behaviour is harming their children, and blame the police

    I wouldnt dispute any of that.
    Cases like this are such a terrible waste of police time.
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 9,190
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Back in the day, I dealt with many cases like this. Because it is not as unusual as the Paper makes it appear.

    Now-I am not saying that this case is the same as others. But my money is on the following facts also being relevant:-

    1. The i-pads were bought by the childrens' father
    2. The father has custody of the kids
    3. The mother has a right for contact with her children at agreed times
    4. The i-pads go "missing" and the mother refuses to tell the father ("the man in his 40s") where they are. There were likely previous issues-why else did the man in his 40s have a tracker device in them?
    5. He calls the police, suspecting she has stolen them (or just a part of their regular control issues)
    6. Police get involved
    7. The 2 parents then decide this (their) behaviour is harming their children, and blame the police

    I wouldnt dispute any of that.
    Cases like this are such a terrible waste of police time.
    If this case does indeed fit various other cases then yes, it is a terrible waste of police time. The only difference is that now it is a far bigger waste of time than it used to be.

    Easy to say that police time shouldn't be taken up in this way. But (in these sorts of cases) the Father doesn't say a £100 item has been stolen. He says that their electronic device has been taken, and that he fears that child abuse (or similar) may be involved. Effectively forcing the Police to act. If the Mother had Custody, she would (quite understandably) be shouting from the rooftops that Social Services took her kids as part of all this.

    The only difference from 30 years ago is this. Same initial waste of police time. Then extra expense dealing with the Press accusations that police time is being wasted-resulting in massive additional waste of police time.
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 9,190
    Apologies if I have told this story before. But it shows how waste has always existed. As well as giving the 19-yr-old me a good laugh.

    I was doing a Summer job in a local firm of Solicitors while a student. And was called into a meeting between a Solicitor and Client on a legally-aided Divorce matter. The conversation went something like this from the Solicitor.

    You instructed our Senior Partner on this matter some 2 years, and about £10,000 of Legal Aid ago. He successfully palmed you off on the 2nd Partner, who in turn successfully foisted you off onto me. Our weekly meetings have truly been an eye-opener for me, as we discuss vital matters like ownership of the dog.

    I've just handed in my notice. So, on behalf of the Firm, I would like to say this:- F*ck. Off.
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,757
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    Back in the day, I dealt with many cases like this. Because it is not as unusual as the Paper makes it appear.

    Now-I am not saying that this case is the same as others. But my money is on the following facts also being relevant:-

    1. The i-pads were bought by the childrens' father
    2. The father has custody of the kids
    3. The mother has a right for contact with her children at agreed times
    4. The i-pads go "missing" and the mother refuses to tell the father ("the man in his 40s") where they are. There were likely previous issues-why else did the man in his 40s have a tracker device in them?
    5. He calls the police, suspecting she has stolen them (or just a part of their regular control issues)
    6. Police get involved
    7. The 2 parents then decide this (their) behaviour is harming their children, and blame the police

    I wouldnt dispute any of that.
    Cases like this are such a terrible waste of police time.
    If this case does indeed fit various other cases then yes, it is a terrible waste of police time. The only difference is that now it is a far bigger waste of time than it used to be.

    Easy to say that police time shouldn't be taken up in this way. But (in these sorts of cases) the Father doesn't say a £100 item has been stolen. He says that their electronic device has been taken, and that he fears that child abuse (or similar) may be involved. Effectively forcing the Police to act. If the Mother had Custody, she would (quite understandably) be shouting from the rooftops that Social Services took her kids as part of all this.

    The only difference from 30 years ago is this. Same initial waste of police time. Then extra expense dealing with the Press accusations that police time is being wasted-resulting in massive additional waste of police time.
    Police release further statement as mum arrested and held in cell for seven hours after confiscating kid's iPads


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/police-release-further-statement-mum-102513419.html
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 9,190
    The Guardian article (the 2nd in your latest post) sheds more light on this.

    As I suspected, the person who bought the i-pads raised this as a safeguarding issue, in order to compel the police to prioritise the issue.

    When it comes to wasting police time, perhaps if the mother hadn't denied the devices were at her mother's address when the police knew fine well they were (presumably she didn't know about the trackers) then police time would not have been wasted.

    I strongly suspect these 2 parents deserve one another....
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,757
    edited April 13
    Essexphil said:

    The Guardian article (the 2nd in your latest post) sheds more light on this.

    As I suspected, the person who bought the i-pads raised this as a safeguarding issue, in order to compel the police to prioritise the issue.

    When it comes to wasting police time, perhaps if the mother hadn't denied the devices were at her mother's address when the police knew fine well they were (presumably she didn't know about the trackers) then police time would not have been wasted.

    I strongly suspect these 2 parents deserve one another....

    Maybe 7 hours in a cell will discourage her from a repeat performance.
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