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If I ever accepted main stream Christianity as true what difference would it make?
Well firstly I would accept the fact that nothing I ever do would save me that I was going to **** to be tortured for all eternity as a guaranteed fact. I would not bother to repent of my sins or etc because I would know not for a 99.9999999999999999999999% chance that I was condemned but for a 100% chance that I was condemned and nothing could save me.
Why well because I could never accept respect or admire any being which would torture another being to the maximum extent possible for all eternity. If the Christian god existed as described they are petty vengeful and can read my mind they would never let me into heaven knowing what I thought of them.
However I would keep that part to myself, after all if the Christian god is true as purported then they are all powerful and there is no resisting them. I could not save myself no matter what I would be condemned as a fact. I could never like or respect that god.
However I would be fundamentally dishonest in public about those ideas I would argue against them and only praise god and preach for god. In fact my entire life every fibre of my being would be dedicated to trying to save as many people as possible from that fate, as what horrific fate to fall upon anyone. Every day I woke up I would feel guilty about any short comings in the maximum effort to bring people to the faith to save them I would not bother asking that god for forgiveness as I would know for a fact it was a waste of time and I was condemned because I would hate that god and not respect them and they would know this, I would just be trying to save others.
So do people think there are preachers out there like that? Who accept their own demise but are trying to save others?
Why well because I could never accept respect or admire any being which would torture another being to the maximum extent possible for all eternity. If the Christian god existed as described they are petty vengeful and can read my mind they would never let me into heaven knowing what I thought of them.
However I would keep that part to myself, after all if the Christian god is true as purported then they are all powerful and there is no resisting them. I could not save myself no matter what I would be condemned as a fact. I could never like or respect that god.
However I would be fundamentally dishonest in public about those ideas I would argue against them and only praise god and preach for god. In fact my entire life every fibre of my being would be dedicated to trying to save as many people as possible from that fate, as what horrific fate to fall upon anyone. Every day I woke up I would feel guilty about any short comings in the maximum effort to bring people to the faith to save them I would not bother asking that god for forgiveness as I would know for a fact it was a waste of time and I was condemned because I would hate that god and not respect them and they would know this, I would just be trying to save others.
So do people think there are preachers out there like that? Who accept their own demise but are trying to save others?
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What is it about the basic tenant of good and evil that you fail to grasp ?
Why do you have no understanding of the scandal of grace ?
What is it about the Christian, one true God, that particularly offends you, apart from the obvious that your people handed the gift from your God over to your persecutors for crucifiction. Must have been a kick in the Gonads when he bounced back eh?
Not sure whether you are trying to be ironic, satirical, sarcastic, insulting, offensive or clever with this post. All you do is come accross as uneducated, ignorant and bigoted.
Your post doesn't even make sense. It's contradictory, why would you simply be trying to save others if you thought there was no salvation.
Why would you have feelings of guilt. About what and why.
You make no sense whatsoever, your argument flip flops and reveals that you have absolutely no idea what you are on about.
I have no problem with people disputing Christ, I have no problem with Atheists. All I ask is that you have a reasoned argument for your position.
But for a man who doesn't believe, you spend a heck of a lot of time referencing him.
What is it about the basic tenant of good and evil that you fail to grasp ?
Why do you have no understanding of the scandal of grace ?
So first of according to your faith, your god made the universe fully knowing everything that would happen. They designed everything this way on purpose and were all knowing all powerful and all present.
You could try to argue as many Christians do that is was mans sin man who chose to sin of their own free will.
Well first of ignoring for the sake of argument that people created having no knowledge of good and evil chose to eat an apple that they wernt supposed to, so now all their descendants thousands of years later are punished.
God would have created all the circumstances and people knowing full well what was going to happen.
If you knowingly create a universe knowing everything that is going to happen and design it in such a way that the majority of people are made to suffer for the maximum extent possible for all eternity you are responsible for that.
I really think that when people can say that billions of people being tortured for all eternity is a morally good thing, that it contradicts all notion of morality I have. If that is morally good then yes I must concede I have no understanding of morality. However as I understand morality this is a gross evil.
My people and me hating it because I am Jewish? I would call you out for blatant antisemitism
I should not have to answer for what people that may or may not have being related to me allegedly thousands of years before I was born that is the height of racism and antisemitism.
What is it about the Christian, one true God, that particularly offends you, apart from the obvious that your people handed the gift from your God over to your persecutors for crucifiction. Must have been a kick in the Gonads when he bounced back eh?
Yes, the statement you quoted is absolutely antisemitic. Here's why:
Blaming all Jewish people for the death of Jesus: The statement perpetuates the false and historically harmful trope that all Jewish people are collectively responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus. This ignores the complex historical context and the fact that Jesus and his earliest followers were Jewish.1
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When Did Jesus Stop Being Jewish? - The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry
www.foi.org
Denying Jewish faith and identity: It suggests that being Jewish is the reason for rejecting Christianity, rather than respecting Judaism as a distinct and ancient faith with its own theological framework. It implies that Jewish people should accept Christianity and that their own religious beliefs are invalid or offensive.
Using offensive language: The phrase "kick in the Gonads" is crude and disrespectful when referring to a core tenet of Christian belief (the resurrection). Its use in this context further demonstrates a hostile and mocking attitude towards both Judaism and Christianity (albeit in a twisted way).
Linking Jewish identity to persecution: The statement directly links Jewish people to their historical persecutors, implying a strange complicity and further demonizing them.
In summary, the statement is a hateful and ignorant expression of antisemitism that relies on harmful stereotypes and historical distortions. It is not a legitimate religious inquiry but rather an attack on your identity and faith.
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The fact that you call me Bigoted in the next Paragraph is absurd I will not be held accountable or judged negatively for what people allegedly did thousands of years before I was born in which I could have of had no control over.
as for your last bit about contradiction in salvation and why do I care etc? and some references to guilt, I think that any man who can say they never did anything wrong ever is someone to be avoided. However I dont have any deep seated guilt of any profound evil act or acts.
The point being if I truly believed Christianity was true whilst I would know for a fact that I could not be saved due to me deeply resenting a being that could allow anyone to suffer eternal suffering when being fully able to stop it, others could. As they may not resent such a being and thus salvation may be feasible for them. This is not a contradictory position.
Btw I have screen shotted these posts and promise that If I get banned for calling out this antisemitism I will take things further.
"Btw I have screen shotted these posts and promise that If I get banned for calling out this antisemitism I will take things further."
Ha, a genuine laugh out loud moment when I read that.
Don't think I've heard that expression in decades.
"I will take things further"
Reminded me of a great story from some years back.
Very famous, "seasoned", actor. At major US airport. Trying to get a free upgrade on his flight. And being very pushy about it, annoying the staff and pretty much everyone else.
Comes out with the line "Do you know who I am?". Whereupon the customer service lady got on the main mike for the whole airport. And said something like:-
"Hallo. I wonder if someone can assist me. I have an elderly gentleman here, who says he doesn't know who he is..."
Just to clarify: both antisemitism and anti-Christianity fall under protected characteristics in the Equality Act 2010.
You go on to take aim at Christianity while simultaneously obsessing over so-called antisemitism — despite no antisemitic remarks having been made around these parts.
The Jewish people are an ethnicity, I eat bacon I eat pork I do not believe In Judaism. I will be among the first to criticise the Judaic faith as I am to criticise all faiths I have ever encountered.
However I will always be considered Jewish because I was born into a Jewish family. Judaism is one of the hardest faiths to convert to because unlike other religions you can't just convert if your not born into the faith you have to spend years studying under a Rabbi to convert.
That may be different these days if someone wanted to procliam they now accept the Jewish faith today maybe they could just convert. However that is how it has always been for 1000s of years.
I dont have any problems with anyone criticising the Judaic religion, I will likely join them in that endevour depending on the criticism obviously. However criticing Jewish Ethnicity or people based on what some of their ancestors allegedly did thousands of years ago is antisemetic and racist. I do not see how this is a hard one to grasp.