hate this spot

craigcu12 · July 2014

this is a reg that i've playing for quite a long time now and we both know each other well.

his 3bets preflop is extremely tight weather that be out of position or in position, but when he is in position his calling range is quite a wide one.

his action postflop seems to be calling with top pairs but quickly raising with two pair or better. the thing i don't yet know much about is weather or not he has much chance of raising with his draws.
knowing he is unlikely to raise with just top pair it's either a possible draw or a monster. Long term i won't want to make it easy for him to bluff me but at the same time i don't want to feed him too much with my weaker hand.

knowing that he is already a very tight player his bets will be absolute certain to have some use from the board
Q as calling will only allow me to keep guessing weather it's monster or draw, i know i will have to do a bet somehow.

the 4 ways i can think of are Ch-R/F as check raising usually means a monster- the issue with that is it will make life harder for me to cbet the bluffs.

cbet-RR when i say reraise i'm now sure he'll just call a draw but what i'm concerned about here is if he starts trapping me.

the third way is do i cbet/C the donk the turn, the reason i say this is if he knows i've got a hand he is not going to fold a draw but at the same time he'll likely want to raise if i keep it to a point where it's too low for him.

the final way i'm thinking is do i make a lead bet on the river to defend myself from anymore risk of the semi-bluff until i finally know for sure he is likely to do them?

Flop
craigcu12	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£65.61
reg	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£45.83
	Your hole cards	K A
rancid	Fold
furfighter	Raise		£0.60	£0.90	£39.20
NUTTER662	Fold
Stewart1	Fold
craigcu12	Raise		£1.70	£2.60	£63.91
reg	Call		£1.60	£4.20	£44.23
furfighter	Call		£1.20	£5.40	£38.00
		K 5 8
craigcu12	Bet		£2.00	£7.40	£61.91
reg	Raise		£4.60	£12.00	£39.63
furfighter	Fold
craigcu12	Call		£2.60	£14.60	£59.31
Turn
		Q
craigcu12	?

Flop
ontheale01	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£31.67
craigcu12	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£40.96
	Your hole cards	K K
15moosejr	Fold
DN34689	Fold
reg	Raise		£0.60	£0.90	£39.40
clive_sop	Fold
ontheale01	Call		£0.50	£1.40	£31.17
craigcu12	Raise		£2.00	£3.40	£38.96
reg	Call		£1.60	£5.00	£37.80
ontheale01	Fold
		9 2 J
craigcu12	Bet		£2.40	£7.40	£36.56
reg	Raise		£5.40	£12.80	£32.40
craigcu12	?		£3.00	£15.80	£33.56
Turn
		J
craigcu12	?
reg	Bet		£7.90	£23.70	£24.50
craigcu12	Call		£7.90	£31.60	£25.66
River
		3
craigcu12	?

Flop
lasher829	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£34.97
bobchaud	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£34.67
	Your hole cards	K Q
craigcu12	Raise		£0.60	£0.90	£78.32
Stewart1	Fold
furfighter	Fold
reg	Call		£0.60	£1.50	£92.43
lasher829	Fold
bobchaud	Call		£0.40	£1.90	£34.27
		7 J Q
bobchaud	Check
craigcu12	Bet		£1.40	£3.30	£76.92
reg	Raise		£3.75	£7.05	£88.68
bobchaud	Fold
craigcu12	Call		£2.35	£9.40	£74.57
Turn
		7
craigcu12	?

Flop
QFrag	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£39.90
UveDoble	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£59.44
	Your hole cards	Q A
craigcu12	Raise		£0.60	£0.90	£50.81
reg	Call		£0.60	£1.50	£95.17
QFrag	Fold
UveDoble	Call		£0.40	£1.90	£59.04
		6 4 A
UveDoble	Check
craigcu12	Bet		£0.80	£2.70	£50.01
reg	Raise		£2.55	£5.25	£92.62
UveDoble	Fold
craigcu12	Call		£1.75	£7.00	£48.26
Turn
		7
craigcu12	Check
reg	Bet		£5.25	£12.25	£87.37
craigcu12	Call		£5.25	£17.50	£43.01
River
		6
craigcu12	?

F_Ivanovic · July 2014

Hand 1: flop is fine, turn I would c/c unless the bet is really big in which case I fold.

Hand 2: again flop is fine. Turn is a bit yuk, i mean it makes sets less likely but we're in bad shape if villain has a set now and we have some ROI if we river a flush potentially. Also go behind to AhJx. Close between calling and folding. As played you have to check river, little value in a bet.

Hand 3: fold flop. We're just crushed by his range here.

Hand 4: Fold turn.

77Chris91 · July 2014

Hand 1 - Do you know if villain cold calls 3-bets with PP? Probably c/f turn is best.

Hand 2 - c/c flop, turn and river personally.

Hand 3 - As played c/c turn and c/c on decent rivers.

Hand 4 - As played, fold turn.

grantorino · July 2014

Your reads seem a little confused, idk. Why do you think you have to raise somewhere? Raise folding would be bad unless you know he won't reraise draws, even then I'm not too sure. Your hands illustrate how hard it is to play oop >200bb deep against an aggro oppo. I certainly wouldn't raise postflop in any of them.

H1 no idea what he is raising on flop here. I prob call down, if you are sure of reads fold on flop

2 turn meh, think you have to call turn close between c/c and c/f

3 fold flop don't think you fare well v his range, as played call turn, c/c blank river

4 meh i might fold flop, if I call flop I prob call turn. River meh I prob c/c if I get that far, depends what he does with busted draws. Chris and Ivan why call flop fold turn? Sizing?

77Chris91 · July 2014

In Response to Re: hate this spot:

Your reads seem a little confused, idk. Why do you think you have to raise somewhere? Raise folding would be bad unless you know he won't reraise draws, even then I'm not too sure. Your hands illustrate how hard it is to play oop />200bb deep against an aggro oppo. I certainly wouldn't raise postflop in any of them. H1 no idea what he is raising on flop here. I prob call down, if you are sure of reads fold on flop 2 turn meh, think you have to call turn close between c/c and c/f 3 fold flop don't think you fare well v his range, as played call turn, c/c blank river 4 meh i might fold flop, if I call flop I prob call turn. River meh I prob c/c if I get that far, depends what he does with busted draws. Chris and Ivan why call flop fold turn? Sizing?
Posted by grantorino

Think in general people play FD's more passively on A high boards when there not PFR. We also have Qs which blocks a few FD combos villain could have.

craigcu12 · July 2014

hand 2 was a set
hand 3 i'm guessing is JJ or 77 because i had Ch/minraised in the hope he could see AA now ahead of QJ but when he called then jammed the river i folded
hand 4 this one i did manage to win and my guess is he must of had A4 or a flushdraw but i can't be absolute certain because he folded.

by the sounds of it i've called one street too many.

hand 1- the board being as dry as it was and me doing a 3bet preflop, the last thing i'm thinking will raise is a set but to my suprise a set is just what he had.

in hand 1 when he chooses to raise sets on this flop.

if he is willing to raise a set on this flop i'm thinking it must be something to do with me doing calls far too often with just top pair.

grantorino · July 2014

Hand 3. You c/mr turn ? Why raise turn when you don't think he value raises flop with< 2p. You seem to realise you are turning tpgk into a bluff, but expecting him to fold 2p is not good imo. You rep very little, and don't rep AA, KK particularly well. If you do want to bluff make it more expensive

When you do this then check river you are goving him a green light to bluff you

Hand 1. Idk he may be just trying to level you into calling light, maybe hands like JJ etc. your bet was also v small shoe may have wanted to build pot as there is a lot behind

LARSON7 · July 2014

In Response to Re: hate this spot:

Hand 1 - Do you know if villain cold calls 3-bets with PP? Probably c/f turn is best. Hand 2 - c/c flop, turn and river personally. Hand 3 - As played c/c turn and c/c on decent rivers. Hand 4 - As played, fold turn.
Posted by 77Chris91

Hey Chris, how would you have played this hand on the flop?

hate this spot

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