i'm starting to think the biggest problem i have in MTTs is taking notes.
on cash i can get an idea of a persons play by just multi tabling plus they regs will be normally the same ones i see most weeks so it's not long before i findout who is a rec and who is a reg.
in an MTT i could play 4 at once but the chances are i'm going to be playing against 5 different people on 4 different tables and it could be months before i next see him.
So rather than going results orientated and furious with my bad calls, i need to start making myself more notes.
please could i have some advice on how to play difficult hands out of position and ways to simulify notes
here is a example of a hand from yesterdays main.
i don't have the reads on the player
Q. what would be the simplest way to put a note down on how he played this hand?
The reason i called this was because a 3bet preflop will probably tell him i've got a premium hand, so when i saw him jam the flop i thought he is doing it with say AK or AQ knowing that it will scare my AK away and he has certainly got atleast 3 outs against premium pairs smaller than AA,i see this happen alot in bounty hunters when a short stack is all in.
Q.until i get a good idea of what type of player this is and knowing that a 3bet is going to narrow my range to hands such as AK AQ and premium pairs what is the best way to play these premium hands post flop when i see a board like this.
H0tFlushed | Small blind | | 60.00 | 60.00 | 1540.00 |
craigcu12 | Big blind | | 120.00 | 180.00 | 6605.00 |
| Your hole cards | | | | |
henners10 | Fold | | | | |
redeyerye | Fold | | | | |
unknown | Raise | | 360.00 | 540.00 | 5710.00 |
mufcscott1 | Fold | | | | |
H0tFlushed | Fold | | | | |
craigcu12 | Raise | | 840.00 | 1380.00 | 5765.00 |
unknown | Call | | 600.00 | 1980.00 | 5110.00 |
Flop |
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craigcu12 | Bet | | 990.00 | 2970.00 | 4775.00 |
unknown | All-in | | 5110.00 | 8080.00 | 0.00 |
craigcu12 | Call | | 4120.00 | 12200.00 | 655.00 |
craigcu12 | Show | | | | |
unknown | Show | | | | |
Turn |
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River |
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unknown | Win | Two Pairs, 10s and 5s | 12200.00 | | 12200.00 |
Comments
T50bb c3b pre ip, jammed over cbet 554r board wTT, I call wAK
If Im lazy I might just write "overvalues overpairs"
As jimbo says note the open size if its not his standard
On the hand itself 3b size seems ok to me, I'd make it a bit smaller if anything. Flop is a fold imo. Ok he'll show AQ etc sometimes but they also split sometimes, and rec players love jamming these type of flops to protect their pocket pairs, which will be a decent part of their range for flatting 3b pre. Against unknowns Im b/f that flop, with reads you can sometimes b/c or check
Something you seem to do in a lot of your posts is give way too much credit for the way low stakes rec players think about ranges, they are mostly just saying oooh look I has a pretty hand, or woohoo lets gamble
Q on rivers even though flush and straight draws will fold, knowing a rec will play such a wide range of hands should i still be taking the chance and do a value bet with hands like over pairs and top pair top kicker?
"Take hand 1 for example, they could take a look at a flop because they had enough BBs to take a look and see if the board texture suited them. Later on in the tourney that would be a straight shove by the same person with the same hand. So is it going to be beneficial to have notes saying 'flat calls pre with 10 10 and shoves on a 5 high flop' when the same person with the same hand would probably do something very different if it was the later stages and they had less BBs?"
Thats why I include the stack they are shoving in notes. It will be useful in the next tournament when you meet them and they 3bet your own TT/JJ
the thing about them was they all came in the early stages oif an MTT.
the problems are if i'm going to 3bet it would need to be gigantic, sadly that means i'm going to be so desperate for an A K or Q to come, giving me the pair because if i missed, then i will be preying for the opponents to fold because if the called well i'll probably have to give up and just try a double up with my next hand.
i probably did over react to my loss yesterday, now things are much calmer.
just thought I'd ask for your opinions on my size preflop.
QQvs 84s is 82% to 18% AQ in comparison is 62.2% to 37.8, when i o 3bet preflop I'm meant to be seeing some of these recs fold, the last thing i want to see occur with an AQ is for the pot to get multiway because i won't be guarantee to hit an A K or Q.
Qwhat size would you recommend being raised preflop to get rid of these recs and make the pot heads up?
I think you need to adjust your logic a bit regarding AK/AQ. AK/AQ is a very good dominating hand but its not good on every flop, we don't have a divine right to win with it. Depending on our opponents we can also flat with AK/AQ.
As an unwise man once said
"You have to read the board and also factor in the reads you have on an opponent.
Put our opponent on a range based on the actions and act accordingly. This isn't so much about notes/stakes we are playing, its just about playing post flop. If you are 3betting then taking off irrespective of the flop then we give our opponent great implied odds to call a wide range of hands.
Regarding the notes thing, make notes of out of the ordinary plays. We don't have to have notes on every player if someone plays pretty ABC then no real need to notes, also notes need to be gained over time. Paying attention to in game action is just as key as notes.
I don't pretend to have great notes but with the notes you have they can either be hand specific or general reads such as "overplays rag aces". I do feel like the more you play the more you will get a feel for situations and will know when to c bet, when you shut down etc.