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DYM Colluders
Jacquelyn
Member Posts: 254
Hi folks,
Two colluders (could be same person) today on DYM 11gpb table - names ********* and *****.
******* only plays games in which ******** plays (quick ss search with subscription shows this).
******* dumped me out of the tourny and then almost very next hand donated 1/3 of his stack to his friend ******.
Game number was 32759247 (other games they have been in are on sharkscope - they are actually not that great at playing - lots and lots of limping as usual when cheaters want to dump in these games). But it is quite obvious they are together or the same person so hope Sky deals with this swiftly.
Have sent an email to support (hopefully will get a refund who knows?) but wanted to make other players aware of these guys.
Thank you very much folks!
J x
Two colluders (could be same person) today on DYM 11gpb table - names ********* and *****.
******* only plays games in which ******** plays (quick ss search with subscription shows this).
******* dumped me out of the tourny and then almost very next hand donated 1/3 of his stack to his friend ******.
Game number was 32759247 (other games they have been in are on sharkscope - they are actually not that great at playing - lots and lots of limping as usual when cheaters want to dump in these games). But it is quite obvious they are together or the same person so hope Sky deals with this swiftly.
Have sent an email to support (hopefully will get a refund who knows?) but wanted to make other players aware of these guys.
Thank you very much folks!
J x
Comments
This is a big reason why many of the big sites dumped them.
I would be very surprised if players weren't working together in these types of games on sites where they are offered on a daily basis.
I've played 40,000 of them on this site and I would honestly say less than 100 of them have been collusive, which is a great record. Long may it continue as DYM's are a great game IMO.
It certainly has been the case on the larger sites. It’s obviously much more difficult to police on those sites.
With Sky having such a small player pool it’s very rare.
After 20k+ Dyms I find it quite easy to spot on the odd occasion it happens. I’ve reported through the correct channels and those players have been banned.
Maybe 4 or 5 times in all those games have I had to do this.
I would say that anyone can play Dyms on Sky and feel confident that it’s a straight game
At lower stakes, they might well have been so **** at it, they were hard to detect but no way it has happened in just 0.02% of the time in games you have played and it is extremely naive to suggest the numbers are that low.
now
So 2 players with 60000k+ experience of Dyms say collusion is rare.
However, Regi, TheDon, Paul, says it’s commonplace. It’s obv irrelevant that he doesn’t play the games. He knows stuff.
We stand corrected. We’re extremely naive.
Remove them Sky
From time to time, collusion is suspected & reported. In the vast majority of cases, there is no credible evidence. Some players - quite a few actually - cry "collusion" just because 2 players with the same Field Address - Newcastle, Manchester, London or whatever - are on the same table. Which is not sufficient evidence at all.
If & when evidence is found, it is dealt with immediately.
As has been stated on here many, many, times, if anyone suspects collusion, just get hold of Customer Care, or drop me a PM, & it will be investigated immediately. The process is quick, & is efficient.
NEVER post their screen-names on here, & NEVER cut & paste onto the Forum e-Mails or chat transcripts you have had with The Business, which is really poor form. The Business will never publish correspondence it has with specific players, & that should cut both ways.
I questioned your numbers, which were clearly pulled out of thin air. If you genuinely believe that your estimate is correct then you don't understand people, or poker as well as you might think.
Other sites pull the games because they're riddled with collusion but here, they're squeaky clean with just one in every four thousand games being compromised?
I suspect you're letting your compulsion to hate every word I say cloud your judgement sir.
Collusion and soft play is hard to police. Cheats of all varieties are mostly only caught when diligent players have spent hours analysing their databases looking for trends and patterns to identify them.
Players that are good at it will be hard to detect with the naked eye. They will also likely be playing from multiple accounts, switching regularly. There will also be groups of friends playing that don't have any agreement or profit sharing deals that take it easy on each other because that is just what friends do etc.
For example, 4 players left. Player A has a huge stack. His friend (who he has never discussed cheating with) is in the BB on the 3rd biggest stack. Player A has a hand that is close between a jam and a fold. Do you think human nature dictates that he jams it in his mates eye, or that he makes the fold?
I suspect that you might respond saying you would jam there but I'm not asking what you would do. I'm asking what you think two unknown to you friends or acquaintances might do.
Where there is gambling, there will always be people trying to cheat to get the money. It's rare of course but it sure isn't 0.02% of the time rare. You don't have to have played 20,000 games of anything to understand that.
I posted their screen names to alert other players to them so that they didn't get robbed as well. When it was so blatently obvious I thought it reasonable to alert the fair players to these cheats.
No replies or transcripts that I sent via email were copied and pasted here? I actually wrote on the forum first before emailing support.
I never said or suggested you had C & P any e-Mails on here, it was a general point addressed to all.
I'm aware of why you posted the screen-names, (which were very quickly edited out by Sky Poker) but I refer to my previous post, & I'd ask everyone to post responsibly & never use screen-names when posting about these matters. We can't have trial by players or Forum.
As I noted earlier, just send the info to Sky Poker & it will be dealt with promptly & properly. Posting that sort of stuff on the Forum serves no practical purpose at all.
Thank you.
1. Skypoker team get it wrong and don't think it was cheating (thus dont refund anyone)
2. Do they refund every single player from every single game that they have been in, without emailing in and asking for it? - I dont think they do, because of the few games they did play, I played in a lot more than just the one with them yesterday, and probably lost some of those too - but i only got one refund for that one game yesterday.
Idk about other DYM players.