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Poker Tracker 4 and Holdem Manager

RMadrid174RMadrid174 Member Posts: 11
edited February 2013 in The Poker Clinic
It looks like skypoker is not supported by poker tracking software such as Poker Tracker 4 and Holdem Manager? Are there any future plans to allow these software? if not, is there a good reason for opting out when all the other major sites are supported?
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited February 2013
    Not for the clinic, should be in GPC i think. 

    Sky have said 000's of times they are against this. 
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  • RyanC7RyanC7 Member Posts: 355
    edited February 2013
    Then you get computer bots playing 9 million tables at once. Could do without some robot eating my roll tbh
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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573 Member Posts: 2,550
    edited February 2013
    i hope sky dont bring this in at some point, im a 100% against this!!!
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  • RyanC7RyanC7 Member Posts: 355
    edited February 2013
    I'll actually stop playing poker. Them things are BS. Anyone can respond to information thats put infront of their face. The edge goes. Just becomes a table full of nits
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  • jonjo75jonjo75 Member Posts: 999
    edited February 2013
    Perhaps because most other sites support them is the best reason not to. A lot players prefer playing without it so SKY is offering that service.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited February 2013
    Yeah, I'm happy to play somewhere where people are actually forced to try to get this information themselves. You aint got a HUD live ;)
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  • thejudge10thejudge10 Member Posts: 465
    edited February 2013
    I used to play live in a poker league some time ago,i young guy i knew played on another site proffesionaly,using hold em manager,he made quite a bit of money ,but it didnt really improve his live game.
    Do we want to improve at the game and have some fun,or do we want to just make cash through a computer program playing for us, I love playing poker gettin there sometimes,when u should fold,the high the lows,its just a great time playing,i wouldnt swop it for anything,lets keep the status qou,as siad there are plenty of other sites that will allow ,whatever you call these programs
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited February 2013
    ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh some peoples comments in this thread are retar ded. All these databases do is compile hands from players that YOU have played with, YOU can do this yourself without sky supporting any tracking software, and its not like its telling you to do certain things. Also saying it makes it just a table full of nits is lololol. Why would it do that? Have you even used it yourself? If not, I don't really think you can comment on it tbh. On other sites where there is a huge playerbase at any given cash limit, id like to see you multi-table and still be able to get sufficient reads on players, and with this information, it can only guide you to make a correct decision. And considering like 90%+ of the regs at 50nl on stars for example, will have a hud, it hardly takes away any edge and  only makes it more competitive because you know they know blabla
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited February 2013
    And I don't think sky need to support these databases because the player base is small. It's fine the way it is. Well, apart from the awful software, limited mtt options, data entry problems etc etc :-)
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited February 2013
    and also regarding the nit argument, Sky is the only site I  have played on that doesnt support these databases, and Sky is also the nittiest site I have played on. Strange
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited February 2013
    If you give a bad poker player a HUD they will still be bad

    It just gives you stats so you can exploit your oppo

    if you take away a hud from a good player, they will still be good  - just means they will have no history/reads/notes w/e
    and would have to compile the stats and would find it takes a while before they can exploit

    If you have a site supporting huds then any pro can buy a database of stats and go play on that site

    this is why this site is good with no hud

    Smitalos made good post about regs using HUD's and just acheiving a game that can't be exploited aswell as the obvious expolitation of non huds users and ATM's








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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited February 2013
    I know/hope all of the above comments aren't aimed at me.

    Firstly HUDs making everyone a nit makes no sense at all, anyone can be a massive nit without any reads at all. The essence of being a nit imo is not making player dependent decisions, just waiting for big hands pre + post and just trying to value town people, regardless of the opponent.

    My only issue is wanting to be on an even playing field. If a player is better than me that's fine, and I agree 100% that giving a bad player a HUD won't make him a good player, but it will help a decent player make slightly better decisions. As Percy pointed out, I don't think it's even necessary with such a small player base anyway but I wouldn't want to be forced to get X software just to avoid having a disadvantage V certain players.
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited February 2013
    The biggest problem with hud's imo is that it's probably bad for the poker economy in that obviously fish wont have huds, so this makes it easier for regs to find fish and then take their money. This is obviously unfortunate, but it's a tool which is available to all. I fully understand most peoples arguments against huds and I agree with most of them for Sky at least
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited February 2013
    In Response to Re: Poker Tracker 4 and Holdem Manager:
    I know/hope all of the above comments aren't aimed at me. Firstly HUDs making everyone a nit makes no sense at all, anyone can be a massive nit without any reads at all. The essence of being a nit imo is not making player dependent decisions, just waiting for big hands pre + post and just trying to value town people, regardless of the opponent. My only issue is wanting to be on an even playing field. If a player is better than me that's fine, and I agree 100% that giving a bad player a HUD won't make him a good player, but it will help a decent player make slightly better decisions. As Percy pointed out, I don't think it's even necessary with such a small player base anyway but I wouldn't want to be forced to get X software just to avoid having a disadvantage V certain players.
    Posted by Lambert180
    HUD's make's this easier if you know how to use them
    But it doesn't allow for the skew when people change their games
    If you know your stats for example you can explout someone using a hud on you
    Bad HUD users never allow for adjustments

    People are deluded if they think they can just buy a hud and suddenly start winning
    You need to have a sound fundamental 3/4/5 bet theory in place even before you start using a HUD and then you have to learn how to interpret the stats and use them for gain.

    HUD's do not make nits, HUD's actually fuel more action.









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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited February 2013
    I know that was my point Rancid lol. You don't need a HUD to be a nit as you're largely not making player dependent decisions anyway. I was making the point that while I'm not for HUDs on Sky, I do not agree with most of what was said by other people who are also against them.
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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited February 2013
    Sigh, theres far more benefit to using HM2 then just a HUD. If you ever want to truly understand your own game and find your weaknesses then get HM2 and play a significant sample (50k hands +) and take the time to analyze your database properly. 
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited February 2013
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited February 2013
    In Response to Re: Poker Tracker 4 and Holdem Manager:
    Sigh, theres far more benefit to using HM2 then just a HUD. If you ever want to truly understand your own game and find your weaknesses then get HM2 and play a significant sample (50k hands +) and take the time to analyze your database properly. 
    Posted by NColley
    Ok fair point. I just went off on a tangent cos someone mentioned HUDs/information at the table. I agree there's loads more to it and I'd love to be able to access some of the features for my Sky hands but ya can't have one without the other (as far as I'm aware).
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited February 2013
    In Response to Re: Poker Tracker 4 and Holdem Manager:
    I know that was my point Rancid lol. You don't need a HUD to be a nit as you're largely not making player dependent decisions anyway. I was making the point that while I'm not for HUDs on Sky, I do not agree with most of what was said by other people who are also against them.
    Posted by Lambert180
    ) Think lemon head said they make nits, I was just coming a long for the ride.

    The only reason to be against them is because it would attract better players and reduce a winning regs edge be nit or not so nit

    Because the really good players that abuse the stats are hard to win against


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    edited February 2013
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