@Tikay thanks for the input lol, no in all honesty im not complaining about the hands xP i added the odds and everything to show how bad there plays were xP i started this as a genuine try at the tables and i just didnt get the cards today lmao, if im not racing a few times im never going to win an MTT, one of the tricks that i have learned about MTTs is only race when your about 80% favourate, so i will very rarely get it all in on the flop unless i have a top 10% hand unless of course they are giving me the correct odds to make the call, then i have to.....
i also dont get my chips in if i just dont know where i am in the hand.
90% of the time if im calling an all in, its cus i know or hugely have a feeling that im ahead
@Bolly. Dont worry the diary wont be a bad beats diary xP its just the way it worked on day 1, i had more bad beats then i did positive points, in fact the only positive hand was the one i have already mentioned
@GaryQQQ...... my stats on sharkscope will show you the difference your 40BI rule has made in my game, i give you and anybody else permission to check out my rescent results
I wont mention the names of the sites, but the usernames are sillymunchie, and Kingmuncher, my ROI was always 100-200% even when i was in minus' profit, but it was the BRM that cost me, when i won big i joined a bigger buy in, and eventually lost everything i won within a week nowadays its a nice steady fall with nice payouts when i do get to the final table
In Response to Re: Possible Return to sky poker: [QUOTE]@Tikay thanks for the input lol, no in all honesty im not complaining about the hands xP i added the odds and everything to show how bad there plays were xP i started this as a genuine try at the tables and i just didnt get the cards today lmao, if im not racing a few times im never going to win an MTT, one of the tricks that i have learned about MTTs isonly race when your about 80% favourate, so i will very rarely get it all in on the flop unless i have a top 10% hand unless of course they are giving me the correct odds to make the call, then i have to..... i also dont get my chips in if i just dont know where i am in the hand. 90% of the time if im calling an all in, its cus i know or hugely have a feeling that im ahead @Bolly. Dont worry the diary wont be a bad beats diary xP its just the way it worked on day 1, i had more bad beats then i did positive points, in fact the only positive hand was the one i have already mentioned @GaryQQQ...... my stats on sharkscope will show you the difference your 40BI rule has made in my game, i give you and anybody else permission to check out my rescent results I wont mention the names of the sites, but the usernames are sillymunchie, and Kingmuncher, my ROI was always 100-200% even when i was in minus' profit, but it was the BRM that cost me, when i won big i joined a bigger buy in, and eventually lost everything i won within a week nowadays its a nice steady fall with nice payouts when i do get to the final table Posted by sillymunch
Hi Munchy.
Glad you took it as intended.
It was really addressed to poker people as a whole, & I'm a poker player. I've been playing poker a very long time, & I frequent 3 or 4 different Poker Forums, & have done for 10 or 12 years, so it is not a Sky Poker thing specifically, but.....
Even now, I struggle to understand why one of THE things I see & hear most frequently is poker players complaining about bad play by others. It just makes no sense to me. They should be bemoaning the fact that people make good plays. Note, incidentally, that we ONLY complain about "bad plays" or "bad players" when.....they beat us. 'Tis true!
When we beat players, we call them "lolbad", or "fish", when they beat us, they are bad players. Truly a go figure thing in my tiny mind.
I buy a lot of staking action in players, too. Their Staking Proposals invariably say "it will be a soft field, full of Frenchies & Satellite qualifiers". Fine, an opinion they are entitled to. Then one of these terribad Frenchies makes a bad play & beats us & so we have a mini-chunter about how bad they were. It is all way above my intelligence, or lack of.
You may have seen Ratsafish on the Sky Poker Cash Game. He gets roundly mocked by the purists for the way he plays, but he has cashed for around £250,000 in Tourneys in the last 18 months. Take away his losses, I bet he is still £150,000 to the good. How many of his critics can say that? Variance? Maybe. I'll take money in the bank over variance & purists all day long.
Andrew1947 was mocked by someone on here yesterday, rather rudely I thought. And yet he wins consistently, certainly more than those who deride him. Respect seems to be a forgotten value in poker.
PS - "only race when 80% favourite" - that is not a race. A race is the generic poker term for a flip, or coin-toss, A-K v Jacks or whatever. 80% fave is, say, Kings v Threes. Pleased to hear you only get it in good though, you sound like me - a proper nit. And nits, another much derided group, rarely go busto.
Hope you run good, & get the lot Munchy. Easier against bad players though.
I am not a full NIT, but i do believe in not overplaying my hands, especially in the low stakes, im quite happy to call raises in position with a nice speculative hand, but if im going to do that i have to have a reason or a read, its about getting small value out of small hands, and max value out of made hands, a good player will not allow for this, therefore if i sense somebody is making too many plays i aim to trap with speculative hands as long as i have the right stack for it, this is why when i have a great hand im looking to get paid off early on, and then keep a steady stack, sadly on this occasion it worked as i wanted it to, but my hands couldnt hold even though i had played them as agressive as i could, i would not change the way i have played, and in the last 2 months, i have made almost $400 profit purely on MTTs alone starting with $30, i have withdrew some of that, and thats why my ballance is now only $350, converting it into pounds my BR is now £200 approx, that is plenty, and i may have lost a lot of big hands that day but as stated, 80% of the time i have doubled up and in my comfort zone.
KNOWING how bad the players can be on sky, i should be able to do well in most tourneys, and for this very reason i want to stick around, especially with the low fields making varience less of a factor i can see myself doing well, so I look forward to my next MTT at sky
on a further note to you tikay, i have learnt why its a frequent problem "you cant beat the low stakes because of the bad calls etc etc"
Most of the time the reason people feel this way is because, they get AK and raise and somebody will call with something stupid and miss, then they get nothing from them, then you get the other times, when they hit and you overplay your AK
also there are two types of fish LAG fishes, and TAG fishes
Somebody just rescently learning poker usually you will find is a lag, they play too many hands, cant let go of anything and are the most likely to bust you 1 in 10 times when you overplay your top pairs
in cash obv you want them to keep making these calls because you will lose some, but you will win so much more
in Tournaments however if your too much of a TAG, then your chips dwindle and your forced to overplay your hand to double up, keep doing this your racing far too often, and you end up getting bad beat, now which do you remember the most, the ones that kept you in it, or the ones that knocked you out of it.
In a big MTT, you will never win if your racing too often with weak holdings, same goes for the ammount of times people call before the flop, if your calling too often, then your going to get outdrawn more often, and dont we always remember these times.
So what is the moral that we can take away from this......
if your going to see flops with cheap holdings then dont overplay them after the flop, if you bet too agressively then your only getting called by someone who is beating you, or has a chance of outdrawing you, so control the pot better, and if at any point in time you dont know where you stand within the hand, just throw it away
Its the only advice i could give people who complain about "how often a fish will knock them out"
BTW just so you guys are aware i hadnt given up on this return my bank wouldnt allow me to deposit anymore for some reason, but now its all good and i started this morning with £20
After a few MTTs today i have managed to make £5.45 profit so now my Bankroll if you can call it that is sitting at £25.45.....
The first MTT was a very emotional roller coaster, i got to see a flop with a pair of 7s and hit my full house on the flop, somebody overplayed a pair of Jacks but the 9 hit the turn giving him 9s over jacks, very unlucky here as he only had 4 outs
i was still in it and i had built my stack back up only to be let down yet again getting it all in with A Q v A 4 on the ace high flop, this time he had 3 outs and i was left dwindling, again i was still in it, i managed to make it to the final table but only the top 3 got paid, i found my chance to double up when i was dealt Q Q and got called by A 8 hitting his ace i was out right on the bubble
i didnt let this perfomance get me down, i played well but the decisions didnt go my way, so i loaded up another bounty hunter, this time the decisions went my way, there was a crazy person shoving all in on the bubble every hand, i called with a pair of 5s to find myself in a race against 6 10s showing me her range, and with 5 people to go i called her all in with A J only for her to this time have A A, i was again happy with my performance and decisions
my last MTT of the day was a deepstack. i was playing well, but then a chip leader bully was attacking me constantly i decided to fight back after hitting a open ended straight draw shoving it all in on the flop, i was also the pre flop agressor, he had called with K 8 and hit his 8 middle pair my hand didnt improve
Btw like your diary thing and your honesty but in all seriousness nothing in the world is more annoying / boring than somone complain about how the constantly run bad Posted by bolly580
1...... fold pre by SR23, Why would you say fold pre when i havent asked for feedback on any hands? this was supposed to be me coming back and sharing my achievements, i dont recall sharing any hands where i needed help or advice.
2...... THEROCK573 havent got a clue what your comment is supposed to mean, but as already mentioned i have not built this to moan about how constantly i run bad, it was something for myself to keep focused, so why you felt the need to go back to somebody elses post which was posted back in feburary and i had already responded to his post
3...... Im confused at what your laughing at, are you laughing at the fact that i couldnt put anything in, or are you laughing at the fact that im trying to build a bankroll from a small ammount, or are you laughing at the comments made after, please can you make more meaningful comments next time
a bit of confusion here? 1...... fold pre by SR23, Why would you say fold pre when i havent asked for feedback on any hands? this was supposed to be me coming back and sharing my achievements, i dont recall sharing any hands where i needed help or advice. 2...... THEROCK573 havent got a clue what your comment is supposed to mean, but as already mentioned i have not built this to moan about how constantly i run bad, it was something for myself to keep focused, so why you felt the need to go back to somebody elses post which was posted back in feburary and i had already responded to his post 3...... Im confused at what your laughing at, are you laughing at the fact that i couldnt put anything in, or are you laughing at the fact that im trying to build a bankroll from a small ammount, or are you laughing at the comments made after, please can you make more meaningful comments next time Posted by sillymunch
i didnt check any dates to be honest, thought this thread had just started because ive never noticed it before, i just find what your saying in the majority of this thread totally insane but i wish you the best at the tables!!!
well im not exactly trying to make a fortune, im trying to move my way up the limits, and starting at £20 is never an easy task, but from what i have seen is extremely possible, it also forces me to not move up until i am ready and can afford to.
After a good day yesterday i came back confident, but today was not a good day, i didnt play much, just 3 HU games, and i did get my chips in good, but the first one guy couldnt let go of a inside straight draw or flush draw, and he hit it after the chips went in, cant really complain was a good read and when the chips went in i had a 76% chance of winning
the second one i was doing brilliantly guy was down to 600 chips but then as i was holding Q J on a Q 10 10 flop all the chips had to go all in, and he happened to be holding the 10, few bad calls by me for him to take the lead,
The last one i was dominating again, he was down to 700 chips but i lost a flip, then i went for the agressive approach, i hit middle pair i raised it for half my stack and guy called, put the last of it in on the river and he showed a inside straight draw, he hit his 9 which beat my middle pair but again as chips went in i was a 80% chance of me winning
all in all i felt was a good day with disappointing results
Gl m8.......will be reading this with interest as we have similar rolls. Fancy a little race?? First to £100 for a bit of motivation? I am playing awful atm so you should breeze it lol
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Thanks for the mention. My BRM rules won't help anybody win, their main purpose is to make it very difficult to go bust.
[QUOTE]@Tikay
Posted by sillymunch
Hi Munchy.
Glad you took it as intended.
It was really addressed to poker people as a whole, & I'm a poker player. I've been playing poker a very long time, & I frequent 3 or 4 different Poker Forums, & have done for 10 or 12 years, so it is not a Sky Poker thing specifically, but.....
Even now, I struggle to understand why one of THE things I see & hear most frequently is poker players complaining about bad play by others. It just makes no sense to me. They should be bemoaning the fact that people make good plays. Note, incidentally, that we ONLY complain about "bad plays" or "bad players" when.....they beat us. 'Tis true!
When we beat players, we call them "lolbad", or "fish", when they beat us, they are bad players. Truly a go figure thing in my tiny mind.
I buy a lot of staking action in players, too. Their Staking Proposals invariably say "it will be a soft field, full of Frenchies & Satellite qualifiers". Fine, an opinion they are entitled to. Then one of these terribad Frenchies makes a bad play & beats us & so we have a mini-chunter about how bad they were. It is all way above my intelligence, or lack of.
You may have seen Ratsafish on the Sky Poker Cash Game. He gets roundly mocked by the purists for the way he plays, but he has cashed for around £250,000 in Tourneys in the last 18 months. Take away his losses, I bet he is still £150,000 to the good. How many of his critics can say that? Variance? Maybe. I'll take money in the bank over variance & purists all day long.
Andrew1947 was mocked by someone on here yesterday, rather rudely I thought. And yet he wins consistently, certainly more than those who deride him. Respect seems to be a forgotten value in poker.
PS - "only race when 80% favourite" - that is not a race. A race is the generic poker term for a flip, or coin-toss, A-K v Jacks or whatever. 80% fave is, say, Kings v Threes. Pleased to hear you only get it in good though, you sound like me - a proper nit. And nits, another much derided group, rarely go busto.
Hope you run good, & get the lot Munchy. Easier against bad players though.