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why does this villian still call my raise

craigcu12craigcu12 Member Posts: 3,960
edited February 2013 in The Poker Clinic
everyone has folded so i make an attempt to steal his blind but for some reason he makes a call with the strangest of hands 92o.
why would he even risk calling with that hand. and what should my raise size be for any future blind stealing
craigcu12 Small blind 100.00 100.00 4550.00
thomas1957 Big blind  200.00 300.00 14902.50
 Your hole cards
  • 8
  • 5
   
MITSUB Fold     
gartcosh1 Fold     
LIAM92446 Fold     
craigcu12 Raise  300.00 600.00 4250.00
thomas1957 Call  200.00 800.00 14702.50
Flop
  
  • 2
  • 2
  • 9
   
craigcu12 Check     
thomas1957 Check     
Turn
  
  • 8
   
craigcu12 Bet  200.00 1000.00 4050.00
thomas1957 Call  200.00 1200.00 14502.50
River
  
  • 10
   
craigcu12 Bet  200.00 1400.00 3850.00
thomas1957 Raise  1400.00 2800.00 13102.50
craigcu12 Call  1200.00 4000.00 2650.00
thomas1957 Show
  • 9
  • 2
   
craigcu12 Muck
  • 8
  • 5
   
thomas1957 Win Full House, 2s and 9s 4000.00  17102.50
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited February 2013
    Some people just will NOT give up their BB. I can see arguements for and against it, like if you're raising with ATC on the SB just to steal his blind, then he can take pots off you purely by being in position.

    I don't know the oppo so he might just be the kinda guy who thinks, hey if I put 200 in I'm definitely gonna see a flop and I might hit. Lesson learnt here is to be not expect folds too often from this guy next time you steal BvB so expect to play a pot with him (that doesn't have to be a bad thing).
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  • waller02waller02 Member Posts: 9,072
    edited February 2013
    The guy has a 3-1 chip advantage and position. He has obv been running well cos his stack is massive so he probs thinking yeah another 200 why not.......had he been defending his blind a lot? cos if so, given the stack sizes i'm just folding my 85 tbh....no shame in folding ur sb
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  • TINTINTINTIN Member Posts: 1,612
    edited February 2013
    lambert and waller have covered pretty much it all. some people will defend their blinds defend their blinds with pretty much anything

    but i ask you this, do you really think your hand is good on the river to be calling the raise?

    you cant do much about how others play but you are in control of your own play. you done 1/3 of your stack here when you really didnt have to
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited February 2013
    If you're always going to be playing fit or fold on the flop, I'd be calling you with 92o as well. Why on Earth are we checking this flop? If we don't c-bet a 922 flop, which flops do we c-bet? If you don't intend to c-bet the flop, you should not be raising pre-flop. 

    What were the motives behind the bet sizes on the turn and river? 1/4 pot on the turn and 1/6 pot on the river?
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  • craigcu12craigcu12 Member Posts: 3,960
    edited February 2013
    In Response to Re: why does this villian still call my raise:
    lambert and waller have covered pretty much it all. some people will defend their blinds defend their blinds with pretty much anything but i ask you this, do you really think your hand is good on the river to be calling the raise? you cant do much about how others play but you are in control of your own play. you done 1/3 of your stack here when you really didnt have to
    Posted by TINTIN
    i do accept myself that the river call was awful but as he could have anything and with just doing the min bets ii thought myself he could have been trying to bluff a flush and has really just missed his high card.
    it's mainly info about blind stealing i'm asking about.
    i will even say myself that i am a idiot because earlier i folded a set of A on the river just because a villian did a big bet on a board A10987
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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited February 2013
    It's a fold pre flop.
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited February 2013
    In Response to Re: why does this villian still call my raise:
    It's a fold pre flop.
    Posted by NColley
     
    20ish bbs against a bigstack bvb, 8 high... ye I agree, no real point raising

    If im the villain, i have a stack, and i am gonna defend with any2 if i perceive u to be weak post flop
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  • SHANXTASHANXTA Member Posts: 1,507
    edited February 2013
    I would listen to, and answer the questions borinloner has posted if I was you

    IMO you've played the hand worse than the villain
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  • bearlytherbearlyther Member Posts: 1,757
    edited February 2013
    prefer a 2.5x when raising blind on blind as were oop and people like to defend bvb
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  • lisa1962lisa1962 Member Posts: 25
    edited February 2013
    Personally I think you've both played this less than optimally. The best thing you could have done pre is to fold, as if you get called he's palying the hand in position anyway, and if you hit you don't really know where you are 95% of the time. Why not just let this go and play the next hand in position
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