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should i have got away from this hand?
devonfish5
Member Posts: 4,291
villain's been loose all night,easy to say afterwards i should have folded.
CardsAmountPotBalanceLARSON7Small blind £0.02£0.02£3.78polplaysBig blind £0.04£0.06£3.90 Your hole cardsQA FlqkFold PepinoCall £0.04£0.10£13.75devonfish5Raise £0.20£0.30£11.54spinky6108Fold LARSON7Fold polplaysFold PepinoCall £0.16£0.46£13.59Flop 7QQ PepinoCheck devonfish5Check Turn 8 PepinoBet £0.04£0.50£13.55devonfish5Raise £0.31£0.81£11.23PepinoCall £0.27£1.08£13.28River 6 PepinoBet £0.32£1.40£12.96devonfish5Raise £1.18£2.58£10.05PepinoAll-in £12.96£15.54£0.00devonfish5All-in £10.05£25.59£0.00PepinoUnmatched bet £2.05£23.54£2.05PepinoShow8Q devonfish5ShowQA PepinoWinFull House, Queens and 8s£22.14 £24.19
CardsAmountPotBalanceLARSON7Small blind £0.02£0.02£3.78polplaysBig blind £0.04£0.06£3.90 Your hole cardsQA FlqkFold PepinoCall £0.04£0.10£13.75devonfish5Raise £0.20£0.30£11.54spinky6108Fold LARSON7Fold polplaysFold PepinoCall £0.16£0.46£13.59Flop 7QQ PepinoCheck devonfish5Check Turn 8 PepinoBet £0.04£0.50£13.55devonfish5Raise £0.31£0.81£11.23PepinoCall £0.27£1.08£13.28River 6 PepinoBet £0.32£1.40£12.96devonfish5Raise £1.18£2.58£10.05PepinoAll-in £12.96£15.54£0.00devonfish5All-in £10.05£25.59£0.00PepinoUnmatched bet £2.05£23.54£2.05PepinoShow8Q devonfish5ShowQA PepinoWinFull House, Queens and 8s£22.14 £24.19
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loose callers always seem to bet small then on the river either check or min bet the only time they seem to bet large is when they holding something strong and on this board with a straight being possible the chances are he would have been too scared of that to shove with just 3 queens.
if he has been that loose he could have been holding a straight himself.
it's just too hard to read them so the safest option is always call the river or raise but don't call shoves unless you holding straights on rainbow boards or K and A flushes.
yeah,seems obvious now that a call would have been the wise option,but there was just so much to be gained from a v loose player.
ob had it been say tintin 4 ex it's an easy fold.
(funny as well, my brother Mark who plays on sky (snugs1963) just so happened to walk in as this hand was being played,and he said fold...so i should have listened to him lol....and he's as loose as a goose.)
still.another lesson learned.
another note to write down...running out of space...lol
dev
yeah,it's just i'm always thinking i'm so strong here i don't want to lose customer,hence the check on flop.
guess it's from my DYM days. lol
a habbit i've got to learn to break.
still got plenty to learn,haven't i.but felt good about y'days session...apart from this 1 hand. lol
cheers buddy
dev
had he made a raise which you then call preflop and he went on to make bets before shoving it could so easily mean KQ or AQ so i would still call most days with my AQ against him.
You lost alot less than you should have (not in a good way)
If you had AK, AJ, KQ, 99, 9T, etc, would you c-bet this flop? Assuming the answer is yes then you should bet the flop with top-trips too because your opponent can think you might have AK, AJ, KQ, etc. Of course if he has something like 88 or A7, he may pay you on the flop but be scared by high cards on later streets.
As played on the river, we just have to take an opinion on whether this opponent is overvaluing his Qx hands more often than he's holding a house. If it can ever be something else like a bluff, that obviously factors in. It's player dependent but not many players are going to donk-lead then 3-bet on the river without a massive hand.
I agree with Shanxta about your raise size on the turn and I think it's a bit small on the river too. I think you're missing value there.
my bet sizing stil has a long way to go i know,and it's something i'm very much aware of.i am trying though.
yes,i should have just called the river bet and saved myself a tenner,but at the time it seemed the right play going all-in so i'll have to reign it in i guess,even against v loose players.
dev
Hey Dev,
I sat down at the table, and there is you 2 massive chip leaders.
I was playing loooooose lol
I look away for 2 minutes and see you've been stacked.
With this hand, you need to bet the flop.
Your oppo is playing loose, but when he has a hand he normally shoves.
On the turn, he bets you reraise, he's all in, talk about over playing a full house.
We have to fold here, imo, we have under £2 in the pot. Previously, he has only shoved when he had the nuts orclose to it. Also the fact you are both so deep, the massive re-raise looks super strong.
Its a tough fold, but given the action and times when player has shobved previously i think we need to lay this down.
yes,i could/should have bet the flop.but it wouldn't have changed anything,he would have called my bet with his Q8
i should have folded his all-in bet but he'd been playing v loose and i saw it as a chance to win a big pot.
it's all about the long term for me and these stakes and hands won or lost mean little as i'm quite well rolled for this level.
i made a mistake which i paid for...literally.it's a work in progress for me playing cash and i'm sure many more mistakes will be made by me along the way.
i try and learn from them though and maybe in a similar position next time,i'll find the fold button.
ty for your advice
(* *)
^
dev
You would have been called, you are just unlucky he hits his house on the turn.
I would say at this level, any level of cash, bet for value everytime, if you lose your customer so be it, but in the longer term it will be far more profitable.
yes,i'm sure u r right about betting 4 value and it's something i am/have been working on.
having played dym for so long last year,which is basically all about getting chips and keeping them and survival,
i'm finding it difficult not to check the flop and betting all 3 streets as i should be.
it's coming though,and once i've got it firmly in my armoury and it becomes second nature,i'm sure the game will play that much easier.
cheers
dev
Most of the others have summed it up.
If you slow play hands preflop and on the flop, you lose your chance to get the money in. At 2/4p I see a good 3 in 5 players automatically limp with Aces and Kings thinking it is clever to trap (I had one today who checked pocket Kings after 4 people had limped), but trying to go from a small pot to a big pot on one street (like your opponent did here) should send alarm bells ringing to your opponents. It only pays like when your opponent has Kings and you have slow played your aces or in this case, you both have Queens, but you have the better kicker until the turn.
You slow play and you get deception, but you lose the chance of a big pot and if you struggle to fold when the bad cards come, you can slow play yourself into oblivion.
I think I would bet flop. Bet turn and call if he raised. Call the river bet unless he polarises his whole stack
Why does oppo go nutz on river and not on turn
clues are out there
hard to fold though because u under rep on flop
i only made the call bacause of how loose opponent had been,and would have made it had the bet been say £5
yes,it's easy after the event to see i should have folded but it's just another mistake,regardless of the amount of money involved.
i'll learn from it though.
rancid your point has been noted 'why does opponent go nutz,? exactly.