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AA facing a re raise on a flushy flop...

davelufcdavelufc Member Posts: 1,374
edited March 2013 in The Poker Clinic
This is early stages of a low stake deep stack, oppo has been in a few pots but not been playing bonkers.

Do i need to get busy here or is it an easy lay down??
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
superjo Small blind  15.00 15.00 4480.00
SaintEGN Big blind  30.00 45.00 4940.00
 Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
   
digbylady Call  30.00 75.00 4135.00
Steve_2012 Fold     
bigjohn616 Raise  60.00 135.00 5090.00
davelufc Raise  270.00 405.00 5545.00
superjo Fold     
SaintEGN Fold     
digbylady Call  240.00 645.00 3895.00
bigjohn616 Call  210.00 855.00 4880.00
Flop
  
  • 10
  • 3
  • 9
   
digbylady Check     
bigjohn616 Check     
davelufc Bet  427.50 1282.50 5117.50
digbylady Raise  855.00 2137.50 3040.00
bigjohn616 Fold     
davelufc ?

Comments

  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited March 2013
    limp cold calls pre then goes nuts looks like a pretty standard fold for me. If we;re not behind already i think we're against alot of equity. 
  • 10NGY10NGY Member Posts: 108
    edited March 2013
    I'd put him on an overpair to the board and he's trying to protect his hand.. but you are deep so maybe it was a good spot to fold and pick another spot? You should submit it for poker clinic on the channel so we can find out what they're holding. I would say that pocket 9s and 10s are also within their range here i think.
  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited March 2013
    limp call of a big raise pre suggests high pairs or AK, AQ.best guess is you are ahead but they hold an A or K of spadesin which case everything from fold to shove works depending on your style
  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    edited March 2013

    Even if we are ahead on the flop, he has lots of outs, if he's sitting with Ace spades 10 o/s, he is slightly ahead.

    If he has 9s or 10s, we are totally crushed, If he's hut his flush again we are drawing almost dead.

    If he had shoved to your raise i am calling all day long, the min raise smacks of strength, i would fold here and pick a better spot. I take it you called?

  • SHANXTASHANXTA Member Posts: 1,507
    edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: AA facing a re raise on a flushy flop...:
    Even if we are ahead on the flop, he has lots of outs, if he's sitting with Ace spades 10 o/s, he is slightly ahead. If he has 9s or 10s, we are totally crushed, If he's hut his flush again we are drawing almost dead. If he had shoved to your raise i am calling all day long, the min raise smacks of strength, i would fold here and pick a better spot. I take it you called?
    Posted by LARSON7

    FYI, we would be ahead in this example
  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    edited March 2013
    Yes with an Ace correct, any K spades 10 hand then they are sligtly ahead or 50 50
  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: AA facing a re raise on a flushy flop...:
    Yes with an Ace correct, any K spades 10 hand then they are sligtly ahead or 50 50
    Posted by LARSON7
    49/51 in KT favour according to my calc
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited March 2013
    Yeah it's...

    Board: Ts 3s 9s
    Dead: 

        equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
    Hand 0:     50.707%      50.71%     00.00%                502             0.00   { KsTh }
    Hand 1:     49.293%      49.29%     00.00%                488             0.00   { AcAd }


    BUT, there's 1200 already in the pot, so imagine you both had to put 2000 chips in each and see a showdown, you're paying 2000 to win 2000 + 2000 + 1200. So as soon as there is dead money in the pot, flipping is +EV, even more so if you have FE.
  • 10NGY10NGY Member Posts: 108
    edited March 2013
    Assuming he only has the one spade... I really wanna know!
  • davelufcdavelufc Member Posts: 1,374
    edited March 2013
    Thanks all, the more i think about it, i really dont think they wanted a call hence the flop raise.

    Not sure if i made the right decision, I only had 1 pair though!!!!!

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    superjo Small blind  15.00 15.00 4480.00
    SaintEGN Big blind  30.00 45.00 4940.00
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
       
    digbylady Call  30.00 75.00 4135.00
    Steve_2012 Fold     
    bigjohn616 Raise  60.00 135.00 5090.00
    davelufc Raise  270.00 405.00 5545.00
    superjo Fold     
    SaintEGN Fold     
    digbylady Call  240.00 645.00 3895.00
    bigjohn616 Call  210.00 855.00 4880.00
    Flop
      
    • 10
    • 3
    • 9
       
    digbylady Check     
    bigjohn616 Check     
    davelufc Bet  427.50 1282.50 5117.50
    digbylady Raise  855.00 2137.50 3040.00
    bigjohn616 Fold     
    davelufc Fold     
    digbylady Muck     
    digbylady Win  1710.00  4750.00
    digbylady Return  427.50 0.00 5177.50
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