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BB KK limper and min raise bubble
craigcu12
Member Posts: 3,960
i hold a premium pair and am in the bigblind when i see a min raise i think to myself he is holding either AJ-AK or QQ-AA and with me beind a BB if i shove he will still call also that limping with him just limping is he plotting to call a shove with AA himself?
so am i best to just call at this point and if the flop is QH then maybe shove or will a shove be ok.
so am i best to just call at this point and if the flop is QH then maybe shove or will a shove be ok.
| d23b | Small blind | 400.00 | 400.00 | 3937.50 | |
| craigcu12 | Big blind | 800.00 | 1200.00 | 15910.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| CHRIS770 | Call | 800.00 | 2000.00 | 55650.00 | |
| pac129 | Fold | ||||
| stuart43 | Raise | 1600.00 | 3600.00 | 28680.00 | |
| button09 | Fold | ||||
| d23b | Fold |
Comments
If you are sittin in a sat chip leader, you dont want to get involved on the bubble if you have a good stack; unless its against a short stack that is not going to crip ple you.
In a tournie we want to get to the final table, and give ourself the best chance of winning. The money for just scraping past the bubble is poor, the real money lies in getting a really deep run taking us to the final table.
We have the second best starting hand in poker, no way can we do anything else here but shove. If we get unlucky we get unlucky, but most times we are winning here.
In this case all you have seen from your opponents is a limp and a small raise. This is nowhere near enough to get even close to narrowing their ranges down to premium hands only, let alone narrowing them down to one specific hand. Assume your KK is way ahead. Treat KK as the pre-flop nuts.
There is 23% of your stack in the pot already. You want to get paid for your full stack but any intricate 3-bet will actually look much stronger than a 3-bet shove. If you shove here you could be perceived to be doing so with quite a wide range possibly including any pocket pair, AT+ KQ, etc. With those hands we'd be shoving to pick up that huge amount of dead money already in the pot. This means that by shoving we can potentially be called by a wide range of hands. If we 3-bet smaller then we may alert our opponents to our strength and, even if we don't do that, it's much harder for someone to 4-bet all-in with AJ or 99 and no fold equity than it is for them to call a 3-bet shove from a perceived wide range. We don't want to give them the chance to get away from a hand they would otherwise pay us with.
The idea of flatting to shove a Queen-high flop is fundamentally flawed. Think about what happens if one of our opponents holds AK: He would call our pre-flop 3-bet and pay us off as a 30% underdog. If we flat pre-flop, once he's missed the flop he will fold a hand that is now much worse than a 30% dog. We absolutely do not want him to fold. The same thing is true if he holds TT: The flop comes Queen-high, we shove and he folds a hand that would have paid off a pre-flop 3-bet. On the other hand, if he's holding AA we still pay him off anyway. Waiting to see the flop has saved us not one penny.
What if the flop comes Ace-high? Do we now check-fold? What if he's holding QQ? We've just paid him the value of his pre-flop raise and then check-folded a hand that was absolutely crushing him.
The only justification for flat-calling the pre-flop raise is that we think he will fold to a pre-flop 3-bet a large proportion of the time but will almost always c-bet the flop if we call pre and then check the flop to him. Again, this is a plan based around us having the best hand and designed to get us paid more for it. Generally shoving pre-flop will be much better in this situation with these stacks.