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30NL - OP to board, Picked Up OESD on Turn
Lambert180
Member Posts: 12,197
I've included villians name because I know (and so will most) what he is capable of and obviously this needs to be taken into account.
Should I flat the turn to keep in his bluffs/worse hands/allow myself to see a river. More I look at it, I think the shove is bad.
Should I flat the turn to keep in his bluffs/worse hands/allow myself to see a river. More I look at it, I think the shove is bad.
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| DOHHHHHHH | Small blind | £0.15 | £0.15 | £154.77 | |
| Lambert180 | Big blind | £0.30 | £0.45 | £29.55 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| wocky72 | Fold | ||||
| the_jester | Fold | ||||
| Leah26 | Fold | ||||
| DOHHHHHHH | Raise | £0.75 | £1.20 | £154.02 | |
| Lambert180 | Raise | £2.40 | £3.60 | £27.15 | |
| DOHHHHHHH | Call | £1.80 | £5.40 | £152.22 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| DOHHHHHHH | Check | ||||
| Lambert180 | Bet | £3.10 | £8.50 | £24.05 | |
| DOHHHHHHH | Raise | £6.90 | £15.40 | £145.32 | |
| Lambert180 | Call | £3.80 | £19.20 | £20.25 | |
| Turn | |||||
| |||||
| DOHHHHHHH | Bet | £5.10 | £24.30 | £140.22 | |
| Lambert180 | All-in | £20.25 | £44.55 | £0.00 | |
Comments
do you think oppo can still call with the draw
would oppo think u shove worse
Imo he's raising this flop with 55, 77, 99, TT+, 79, 68, 8T, AcXc, KcXc, QJcc, all of which I think he would open SB v BB and all of which he would probably fire again after c/r the flop, so I don't think his range narrows at all from flop to turn.
Don't think he's ever gonna go c/r, c/c or c/r, c/f with a decent draw here. I know if he calls, sometimes I'm beat and drawing but that is the point of a semi-bluff innit, and he is definitely capable of calling with worse imo.
The one thing I don't seem to be able to figure out on stove is putting in specific ranges like not just saying QJo and QJs, but saying QJcc, or AcXc and the like, so I'm not sure whether his draws outweigh his made hands or not.
FWIW, I think if I get called a (non-club) 6 or J definitely takes it down, a 6c or Jc, takes it down sometimes, a T takes it down sometimes, and the 5 pairing will take it down a small amount of the time too.
The more I think about, the shove is growing on me, but I don't hate the idea of flatting either.
As I said above, I think he's barrelling pretty much his entire flop c/r range but I'm not sure what to think of his turn sizing tbh, I haven't played him enough to take much from it. Not sure if he's diong it to induce, partially pot controlling or just trying to widen the range I will call with.
He's getting 3to1 on his money, I think he will call with draws, if I thought he could never call with a draw then I'd flat.
Would he think I shove worse than what?
Agreed that he won't call light, but I'm perfectly happy for him to not call the turn. I think I probably fold out ihs weaker draws, get called by his stronger draws.
You've probably played him as much as me tbh. I'd never played 30NL up until about 3-4 days ago so only really played him at Hypers which obviously couldn't be much more different from cash.
So would oppo think you shove turn with worse than any value hand oppo holds
If oppo going to call then it's got to be becuae oppo has a draw or pr that you beat
This spot is all about what oppo thinks about you
Turn bet could be a blocker or made to look like a blocker because oppo knows your a thinker
edit: funny thing is a blocker should be the amount u want to pay to draw so intresting if you think oppo still calls shove with draw - oppo could be just blocking and repping the straight but got the sizing messed up
Kinda lean towards air
More I look at it I really IDK if it's an incorect sizing, deliberate sizing or b/f amount )
Sure Dohh knows that you won't just call the bet on turn so he wants you to fold or shove..
hope this helps )
All of the above, if I'd flatted I'd probably ship the turn over his bet, with the exception of maybe 8T (unless it's cc).
I jam the turn to balance times I have big made hands with big draws, I know I can get some folds because sometimes he will be c/r flop with air and will virtually always continue for at least 1 bet on the turn and I also think he'll feel committed enough to call off with some draws on the turn.
There are probably no hands I flat the turn with, although maybe that's a mistake.
Love to hear your feedback on ^^^