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NL20 set - call or shove - ok it's a house )

rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
edited March 2013 in The Poker Clinic
One for the purist's

verus range and the way the hand is played out do we just call on river

oppo is TAG, pretty straight forward

also please don't say bet flop )
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
bolly580 Small blind   £0.10 £0.10 £19.70
x Big blind   £0.20 £0.30 £18.00
  Your hole cards
  • 2
  • 2
     
topladwa02 Fold        
HOLESHOT Fold        
rancid Raise   £0.60 £0.90 £55.78
shaun399 Fold        
bolly580 Fold        
x Call   £0.40 £1.30 £17.60
Flop
   
  • 3
  • Q
  • 5
     
x Check        
rancid Check        
Turn
   
  • 2
     
x Check        
rancid Bet   £0.98 £2.28 £54.80
x Raise   £3.00 £5.28 £14.60
rancid Call   £2.02 £7.30 £52.78
River
   
  • Q
     
x Bet   £5.48 £12.78 £9.12
rancid
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited March 2013
    we have a house not a set!!!


    don't just call, go for value versus any Qx he can have, obviouisly we reckon he'll often have missed with his fds and not call, whilst at the same time not folding better but I think there is still value from random Ax fds that get stubborn, Qx, and maybe even thin c/r mid pairs who thought they were best on the turn.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited March 2013
    As above ^^^

    We have the boat, get 'em in!
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited March 2013
    Ok Beaneh chill, I know it's a house -

    seriously though what is oppo c/r turn with ?

    the river is the river but what concerns me the most is the turn c/r - espeically if I think oppo is not raising Q's,draws or bluffs !!!!!!!!!



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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: NL20 set - call or shove - ok it's a house ):
    Ok Beaneh chill, I know it's a house - seriously though what is oppo c/r turn with ? the river is the river but what concerns me the most is the turn c/r - espeically if I think oppo is not raising Q's,draws or bluffs !!!!!!!!!
    Posted by rancid

    LOL wat

    poker is a game of reads/information


    if your information says you can never be wining even on this card. THEN FOLD


    don't call because you have a house, your relative hand strength is low even if your absolute hand strength is high.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: NL20 set - call or shove - ok it's a house ):
    In Response to Re: NL20 set - call or shove - ok it's a house ) : LOL wat poker is a game of reads/information if your information says you can never be wining even on this card. THEN FOLD don't call because you have a house, your relative hand strength is low even if your absolute hand strength is high.
    Posted by beaneh
    How do you learn to trust yourself and fold - teach me !
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: NL20 set - call or shove - ok it's a house ):
    In Response to Re: NL20 set - call or shove - ok it's a house ) : How do you learn to trust yourself and fold - teach me !
    Posted by rancid

    call 99 times and get shown the nuts, hundreth time if you're not tilted AND you're lucky you can fold. 
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: NL20 set - call or shove - ok it's a house ):
    In Response to Re: NL20 set - call or shove - ok it's a house ) : call 99 times and get shown the nuts, hundreth time if you're not tilted AND you're lucky you can fold. 
    Posted by beaneh

    lol

    If my gut says I am hungry then i eat, if it says I am beat - then I should listen
    Unless my gut has some kind of aggro virus that kills my immune system and gets me to call or shove !!!

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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: NL20 set - call or shove - ok it's a house ):
    In Response to Re: NL20 set - call or shove - ok it's a house ) : lol If my gut says I am hungry then i eat, if it says I am beat - then I should listen Unless my gut has some kind of aggro virus that kills my immune system and gets me to call or shove !!!
    Posted by rancid

    it's like when you bet the river saying i'm bet folding and they raise and you snap call and then start looking for things to punch whilst thinking u farking moran why on earth did you press the middle button you said you were going to fold and then you SNAP CALLED  are you stupid or are you just not listening to me etc.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: NL20 set - call or shove - ok it's a house ):
    In Response to Re: NL20 set - call or shove - ok it's a house ) : it's like when you bet the river saying i'm bet folding and they raise and you snap call and then start looking for things to punch whilst thinking u farking moran why on earth did you press the middle button you said you were going to fold and then you SNAP CALLED  are you stupid or are you just not listening to me etc.
    Posted by beaneh
    lol

    Good so it's not just me then "+_)



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  • ZIPPY146ZIPPY146 Member Posts: 33
    edited March 2013
    to me rancid ,it looks like ace4 or bluff,no bet on flop so that rules out q 4me.his reraise would be to stop u betting the flush draw.with this read i would shove on river.what was outcome?
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  • offshootoffshoot Member Posts: 1,049
    edited March 2013
    You can definitely have a flush on the river and he pretty much cant, yet he doesnt slow down? Rarely does a flush hitting on the river not make people cautious ime. I wouldnt feel bad about calling the river but wouldnt raise.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: NL20 set - call or shove - ok it's a house ):
    In Response to Re: NL20 set - call or shove - ok it's a house ) : it's like when you bet the river saying i'm bet folding and they raise and you snap call and then start looking for things to punch whilst thinking u farking moran why on earth did you press the middle button you said you were going to fold and then you SNAP CALLED  are you stupid or are you just not listening to me etc.
    Posted by beaneh
    wow im amazerd i thought this was literally just me glad 2 players have said they do it now. 
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