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Fold trips, correct fold?
LARSON7
Member Posts: 4,491
I don't normally fold with these cards on this board. Opponent from what I can see if quite a steady decent player and had been pretty quiet up until this point. The massive over bet on the river, my gut instinct was to fold, there is just so much that is beating me. Interesting hand, i'm quite happy with the fold, just wondering what others think?
| GhostFire | Small blind | £0.02 | £0.02 | £4.63 | |
| ArfurDaley | Big blind | £0.04 | £0.06 | £4.44 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| ted1917 | Fold | ||||
| garner909 | Fold | ||||
| scottsman1 | Call | £0.04 | £0.10 | £4.76 | |
| LARSON7 | Call | £0.04 | £0.14 | £6.64 | |
| GhostFire | Call | £0.02 | £0.16 | £4.61 | |
| ArfurDaley | Check | ||||
| Flop | |||||
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| GhostFire | Check | ||||
| ArfurDaley | Check | ||||
| scottsman1 | Bet | £0.04 | £0.20 | £4.72 | |
| LARSON7 | Call | £0.04 | £0.24 | £6.60 | |
| GhostFire | Fold | ||||
| ArfurDaley | Call | £0.04 | £0.28 | £4.40 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| ArfurDaley | Check | ||||
| scottsman1 | Check | ||||
| LARSON7 | Bet | £0.21 | £0.49 | £6.39 | |
| ArfurDaley | Call | £0.21 | £0.70 | £4.19 | |
| scottsman1 | Call | £0.21 | £0.91 | £4.51 | |
| River | |||||
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| ArfurDaley | All-in | £4.19 | £5.10 | £0.00 | |
| scottsman1 | Fold | ||||
| LARSON7 | Fold | ||||
| ArfurDaley | Muck | ||||
| ArfurDaley | Win | £0.84 | £0.84 | ||
| ArfurDaley | Return | £4.19 | |||
Comments
Although I said this is never a fold, players at the micros aren't good enough to bluff shove all in or even shove with marginal hands so maybe it was a good fold? Next time just toss this hand PF
don't ever play this rubbish...ever
u have wasted 29p and u have trip q's and folded them
yes it looks like a good fold though. wp
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What was your reason for limping behind on the button with Q9? You should have some reason for doing this, so tell us what it is. Also tell us which other hands you would be limping in this situation and how you intend to make that a profitable proposition in the long-term.
You might guess that I'm not a fan of this limp. However, I'm equally not a fan of those people saying you should just fold this situation.
Raise this hand. You've seen a limper, who will very likely have a weak range, you have position and you have a playable hand. Raise it up, charge them limpers tax, c-bet the flop if they call and you'll take down the pot most of the time. This approach will win you lots of small pots and will have the added benefit of disguising your big hands. You'll also gain a genuine understanding of position.
The best thing about playing low stakes is that your limp-calling opponents will almost always play fit or fold on the flop. Charging limpers tax and 3-betting to c-bet are more effective at this level than any other.
On the flop and turn I think you played the hand fine. Facing the river shove, just decide how much value seeing his hand has to you. If you think you can be winning 30% of the time, then maybe the value of knowing what his river shoving range is could make up the difference. If you never see this guy again, then that information obviously doesn't have much value.
Whether the call is profitable is read dependent and you obviously don't have reads. It could be the nuts, it could be nothing. In a vacuum I agree with the others that it's more likely to be the nuts.
Hey larson, just to reiterate what others have said this is the kind of situation on the button where we can be aggressive get HU and outplay our opponent postflop in position. The problem with playing the hand the way you do is you never where you are in the hand, if you raise a decent amount pre, you can take the lead and dictate how the hand plays out, then by cbetting quite big you know you can narrow his range down a fair bit so that when you continue the agression on the turn and he calls or raises you build a better picture of what kind of hands he could be holding. Then if the hand is played this way with you showing alot of agression and he still leads out with the jam on the river you are alot more sure that he has a monster and can make the good fold pretty sure that he has you crushed.
There is no reason to raise the flop, though. We probably can't be called by worse and probably can't force our opponent to fold better. By raising we might find out whether we have the best hand or not but that information has a negative value to us.
This is a thread from a couple of weeks ago:
Raising for Information
I agree! I should have raised from the button, Q 9 is fine to do this with. Tho out of position it is pretty poor..
On the flop, i'm not in love with my hand, but i'm certainly calling 4p.
On the turn, i thought I probably had the best hand so bet out when it's checked round to me, I wasn't expecting 2 callers, i would say atleast 1 player is sitting with K x.
On the river when opponent goes all in, i folded pretty quick.
The reason I folded is what am i beating? It looks like a bizarre line shoving 4 x the pot.
I have seen this player playing quite a lot at this level, multi-tabling, he seems to be quite a steady profitable player, and i have never seen him making a move like this. Tho, his line is really bizarre in the hand, I think he was slow playing something, or hut his full house on the river. I wouldn't expect this move from this player without the nuts, or close to it. He is shoving with 2 players to act behind there is no way i can call here. Even q 10 is beating me, i could be wrong but i'm pretty confident he was sitting with a full house.
Though I might have tried to be more diplomatic. lol