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did i waste the chance build my stack

craigcu12craigcu12 Member Posts: 3,960
edited March 2013 in The Poker Clinic

i have just went out in the ukops mini finishing in 73 so won 6.38 and 1 head prize i have a few hands from the tournament i would like to ask about
the table i was on was fairly tight and my image to most was a very tight player as i was folding time constantly in the whole tournament i folded 81% of my hands preflop so i couldn't see many calling unless my stack was small.

hand one
with my stack size being so small was it better to shove this preflop as the button could have been just stealing the blinds

joesey12 Small blind  400.00 400.00 10025.00
craigcu12 Big blind  800.00 1200.00 7830.00
 Your hole cards
  • Q
  • K
   
DEL_SOL Fold     
LEOBARL Fold     
odam Fold     
kidwade Raise  2400.00 3600.00 6637.00
joesey12 Call  2000.00 5600.00 8025.00
craigcu12 Fold    
hand 2
DEL_SOL Small blind  500.00 500.00 21295.00
LEOBARL Big blind  1000.00 1500.00 11499.50
 Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
   
odam Fold     
ryan83 Raise  2000.00 3500.00 31005.00
joesey12 Fold     
craigcu12 All-in  28720.00 32220.00 0.00
DEL_SOL Fold     
LEOBARL Fold     
ryan83 Fold     
craigcu12 Muck     
craigcu12 Win  5500.00  5500.00
craigcu12 Return  26720.00 0.00 32220.00
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited March 2013
    KQ is a standard fold imo, people don't 3x or call 3x raises at this stage very light. I'd be amazed if a shove got even 1 of them to fold, and you won't ever be in good shape when called.

    The AA hand, your raise is WAY too big. If you have less than 20xBB then I'd say it's ok to re-shove because we'd be making the exact same move with 77, AQ etc but this deep you've lost tons of value. Just 3bet to like 5k.
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited March 2013
    In the first hand I don't think we have any fold equity. We've got 10BB and the button has raised for 3BB out of his 11BB stack. He's not folding. The small blind has called that raise from his 13BB stack. It's very likely that we're going to be called and it seems unlikely that our KQ is ahead. There is alot of money in the middle so it's not the worst spot to take a spin, but I think we're better off folding and shoving an unopened pot.

    On the second hand, we shouldn't be 3-bet shoving with 29BB. If we had 20BB or less perhaps then a shove would be reasonable because we can rep a wider 3-betting range but with this 29BB stack, we're just going to get all but a very narrow range to fold. 3-bet to something along the lines of 6-7BB.
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited March 2013
    Kinda looks like I just copied Lambert now. I'm not sure why his post didn't show up earlier. lol
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  • craigcu12craigcu12 Member Posts: 3,960
    edited March 2013

    did i still do the correct thing with this hand even thought it is even weaker?
    with my stack size being just 8BB

    LEOBARL Small blind  500.00 500.00 9929.75
    odam Big blind  1000.00 1500.00 24733.00
     Your hole cards
    • K
    • J
    		   
    joesey12 Fold     
    craigcu12 All-in  7430.00 8930.00 0.00
    DEL_SOL Fold     
    LEOBARL All-in  9929.75 18859.75 0.00
    odam Fold     
    LEOBARL Unmatched bet  2999.75 15860.00 2999.75
    LEOBARL Show
    • 9
    • A
    		   
    craigcu12 Show
    • K
    • J
    		   
    Flop
      
    • 8
    • 10
    • K
    		   
    Turn
      
    • J
    		   
    River
      
    • J
    		   
    craigcu12 Win Full House, Jacks and Kings 15860.00  15860.00
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited March 2013
    Think the KJ is a pretty standard shove from the CO with 7xBB
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  • bearlytherbearlyther Member Posts: 1,757
    edited March 2013
    i like a flat call with aces here or a click back to around 4789 but dont shove.
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited March 2013
    In Response to Re: did i waste the chance build my stack:
    Think the KJ is a pretty standard shove from the CO with 7xBB
    Posted by Lambert180
    This.

    Late position with 7.5BB and a hand that plays fairly well against people's calling ranges. We've got good fold equity and can't afford to wait for a better spot. Definitely a shove.
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