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MTT, AK early doors against All in

LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
edited March 2013 in The Poker Clinic
The pots, been raised, called, i 3 bet, and then the 4 bet all in.

Would you call or fold AK this early on?

I had no real reads on opponent, I could be up against AA KK, but was happy enough making the call, i dont know if this is a mistake or not, probably it is marginal. Would you call or fold here?
iceman904 Small blind  15.00 15.00 1380.00
LARSON7 Big blind  30.00 45.00 2572.50
  Your hole cards
  • K
  • A
     
whipit Raise  120.00 165.00 1915.00
skyeguy08 Fold     
thornhil07 Call  120.00 285.00 2975.00
speirs03 Call  120.00 405.00 2885.00
iceman904 Fold     
LARSON7 Raise  180.00 585.00 2392.50
whipit All-in  1915.00 2500.00 0.00
thornhil07 Fold     
speirs03 Fold     
LARSON7 All-in  2392.50 4892.50 0.00
LARSON7 Unmatched bet  567.50 4325.00 567.50
LARSON7 Show
  • K
  • A
   
whipit Show
  • K
  • K
   
Flop
   
  • 8
  • Q
  • J
     
Turn
   
  • 7
     
River
   
  • 6
     
whipit Win Pair of Kings 4325.00

Comments

  • seppeseppe Member Posts: 287
    edited March 2013
    In Response to MTT, AK early doors against All in:
    The pots, been raised, called, i 3 bet, and then the 4 bet all in. Would you call or fold AK this early on? I had no real reads on opponent, I could be up against AA KK, but was happy enough making the call, i dont know if this is a mistake or not, probably it is marginal. Would you call or fold here? iceman904 Small blind   15.00 15.00 1380.00 LARSON7 Big blind   30.00 45.00 2572.50   Your hole cards K A       whipit Raise   120.00 165.00 1915.00 skyeguy08 Fold         thornhil07 Call   120.00 285.00 2975.00 speirs03 Call   120.00 405.00 2885.00 iceman904 Fold         LARSON7 Raise   180.00 585.00 2392.50 whipit All-in   1915.00 2500.00 0.00 thornhil07 Fold         speirs03 Fold         LARSON7 All-in   2392.50 4892.50 0.00 LARSON7 Unmatched bet   567.50 4325.00 567.50 LARSON7 Show K A       whipit Show K K       Flop     8 Q J       Turn     7       River     6       whipit Win Pair of Kings 4325.00
    Posted by LARSON7
    No need to be flipping this early, fold & wait for a better spot
  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited March 2013
    given you've minraised you could easily fold to the jam if you think he's tight, if you raise it to 350 then it's an easy call. 

    350>180 imo
  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited March 2013
    What do you want to happen when you 3-bet this size? Did you want it to go "call, call, call" so you could play a flop 4-handed, out of position?

    3-bet a more rational amount. As it is you've made it 210 total, I think. I'd make it a bit more than beaneh and go to about 450-500 but the general idea is that you want to isolate one opponent to play a flop or to get it in pre-flop. If you make it that much it becomes a straightforward call when you face the shove.

    As it is, having made it such a small 3-bet we can fold if, as beaneh says, we give our opponent a tight range. He's raised 4x UTG and is 4-betting a big blind min-3-bet and that does suggest extreme strength. That's not a justification for the small 3-bet sizing, though.
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