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too spewy???
waller02
Member Posts: 9,072
This hand was the killer for me in tonights main
My thoughts were, I'm 3 betting pre and going for it on any flop......left players name and hand in as it doesn't really change anything and the oppos play is fine. I feel because of my stack size I had to go for broke.
Way too spewy though?? How should I have played it?
| gleesos | Small blind | 100.00 | 100.00 | 15450.00 | |
| waller02 | Big blind | 200.00 | 300.00 | 6255.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| chepstow | Raise | 600.00 | 900.00 | 5253.00 | |
| beaneh | Fold | ||||
| HUTCH_121 | Fold | ||||
| ACESOVER8s | Fold | ||||
| gleesos | Fold | ||||
| waller02 | Raise | 1600.00 | 2500.00 | 4655.00 | |
| chepstow | Call | 1200.00 | 3700.00 | 4053.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| waller02 | Bet | 2600.00 | 6300.00 | 2055.00 | |
| chepstow | All-in | 4053.00 | 10353.00 | 0.00 | |
| waller02 | Call | 1453.00 | 11806.00 | 602.00 | |
| waller02 | Show |
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| chepstow | Show |
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| Turn | |||||
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| River | |||||
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| chepstow | Win | Pair of Queens | 11806.00 | 11806.00 | |
Comments
Good to have you back btw m8
That said.... if you're going for it on any flop just shove pre. You're big blind so you look really wide a shove is fine.
1. shove pre.......but I had 30bb which I thought was too much to 3 bet jam pre flop
2. 3 bet then commit myself on the flop......my thinking here was if he 4 bets im happy, if he doesnt then there is still a good enough chance of me winning the hand on the flop for me to commit myself
3. just call the raise and re-assess my hand on the flop......I thought my hand was too strong not to 3 bet
My stack size was awkward.....I see ppl posting on here time and time again saying that 30bb is too big a stack to 3 bet jam....If i take option 2 like I did then I surely have to bet any flop thus commiting myself??? It wasn't "my mentality" as you describe it....it was what I felt was the right thing to do at the time???
1. You are right 30bigs is a big shove. That said, its got a decent chance of taking the pot there and then. Also it limits your opponents calling range to one youre either racing against (pockets) or dominating (AJ, AQ). Shoving isn't a bad option either because after any flop youre out of position and its infinitely harder to play. If 30bigs shove is too big fair enough, for me your reraise is slightly too small anyway. Thats a very very nitty point but its what I'm thinking here.
2/3. The reraise preflop is always right, how much the reraise is for is debatable but its agreed you have to raise. In theory the correct option is to cbet but opening any flop from the BB is always difficult because once he calls/reraises, you have to realise you're only playing Ace high and have to assume you're behind really. Its probably the correct play but you can't forget it does have its downside and you have to at least consider the alternative plays. You've put it down to just "hope he hasn't hit" and you've clearly demonstrated now that you're better than that!
Yeah ur right it did come down to a "hope he hasn't hit" situation but after my 3 bet pre I felt it was my only option? If I'm 3 betting pre then checking any flop without an ace or king on then I may as well have just called the raise pre.
All I know is, shoving pre would have taken away the ballache!! lol
The reasons that 30BB is too big a shove with AK here are:
i) We wouldn't shove here with AA or KK and that's what our opponents would think.
ii) We force so many weaker hands to just fold. Hands that may pay us more if we raise smaller. We may even encourage them to 4-bet all-in with weaker hands if we 3-bet smaller.
3-betting a normal amount then betting out on any flop is definitely the most profitable way to play this hand, in my opinion. You're right to say that we're hoping that our opponent has missed when we bet the flop, however we also know that they will miss 2/3 times and can even fold some hands that have us beat: If they call to set mine with 33, 44, 55, etc and see this flop, they're not continuing with the hand. Even if they do call with a pair, we'll still have reasonable equity alot of the time. These factors combine to mean that if our 3-bet is just flat-called pre-flop, our c-bet should be profitable.
Obviously this could affected by history with the particular opponent.
Shoving for 30BB here would be poor in my opinion. I think you can 3-bet a little bigger when you're out of position and here I would be making it 2000 instead of 1800. Seems like a minor gripe but it sets you up for a pot-size bet on any flop. If we were on the button with these stacks, I might suggest 3-betting smaller to 1400 or 1500. As it is, I think the play is fine.