I really didn't mean to sound arrogant or ignorant. I'm definitely not the best player at my level or even close, especially as I've only been playing this level for a month or so.
It was only because you seemed more focussed on whether we were gonna always be up against worse hands rather than the EV of the situation. Sorry if I came across badly, I've said this a few times but when I was learning the people who helped me the most and got it to stick in my head were always the people who were VERY direct, straight to the point and at times sometimes harsh.
Everyone's different though, like on 861 when they are diplomatic and see someone do something bad and an analyst says 'mmm well you could have played it a bit better...', I personally respond much better if they said to me 'what are you doing! This is really bad, you should never be doing XYZ...' but yeah everyone's different, no hard feelings I hope.
And yeah, granted we only have to correct price to call once we 4bet, and sometimes we can get ourselves in spots where we've madea a mistake and ended up inadvertently giving ourselves the right price to call even though we shouldn't have got ourselves into the situation in the first place. Some would argue that we shouldn't 4bet in the first place
Hi Robbie, I really didn't mean to sound arrogant or ignorant. I'm definitely not the best player at my level or even close, especially as I've only been playing this level for a month or so. It was only because you seemed more focussed on whether we were gonna always be up against worse hands rather than the EV of the situation. Sorry if I came across badly, I've said this a few times but when I was learning the people who helped me the most and got it to stick in my head were always the people who were VERY direct, straight to the point and at times sometimes harsh. Everyone's different though, like on 861 when they are diplomatic and see someone do something bad and an analyst says 'mmm well you could have played it a bit better...', I personally respond much better if they said to me 'what are you doing! This is really bad, you should never be doing XYZ...' but yeah everyone's different, no hard feelings I hope. And yeah, granted we only have to correct price to call once we 4bet, and sometimes we can get ourselves in spots where we've madea a mistake and ended up inadvertently giving ourselves the right price to call even though we shouldn't have got ourselves into the situation in the first place. Some would argue that we shouldn't 4bet in the first place Posted by Lambert180
no worries at all , just somtimes the way some people talk isnt helpful but i understand you wasnt trying to come across in the wrong way, no hard feelings at all. Poker is such a complex game with many different things to analyse so when somone says somthing like its easy to know without thinking i just dont think its helpful.
Yeah thats why i find this situation weird you arguably are making a mistake by 4 bet against a possiable NIT but that mistake then gives you the platform to make a correct call of the all in lol so hard to get your head around somtimes.
In all i think this move is fine oop because its horriable to flat miss the flop and c/f, but essentially there are 2 different options, flat against a NIT and some Tags and 4 bet all in against fish and some Tags based upon the reads you have.
In Response to Re: 30nl - AKs on the button : no worries at all , just somtimes the way some people talk isnt helpful but i understand you wasnt trying to come across in the wrong way, no hard feelings at all. Poker is such a complex game with many different things to analyse so when somone says somthing like its easy to know without thinking i just dont think its helpful. Yeah thats why i find this situation weird you arguably are making a mistake by 4 bet against a possiable NIT but that mistake then gives you the platform to make a correct call of the all in lol so hard to get your head around somtimes. In all i think this move is fine oop because its horriable to flat miss the flop and c/f, but essentially there are 2 different options, flat against a NIT and some Tags and 4 bet all in against fish and some Tags based upon the reads you have. Posted by robbie1992
i actually spoke to a player who i won't name privately not that long ago, and they play a much better game than me and ii actually dicsussed AK v nits, and he says v certain opponents he just folds AK because its soo much easier than having the desisions v a tight range post flop. Obviously this does help the op who is readless.
Im not going to say anything about the hand much, my comment before was meant in humor u seemed to take it as such
In Response to Re: 30nl - AKs on the button : i actually spoke to a player who i won't name privately not that long ago, and they play a much better game than me and ii actually dicsussed AK v nits, and he says v certain opponents he just folds AK because its soo much easier than having the desisions v a tight range post flop. Obviously this does help the op who is readless. Im not going to say anything about the hand much, my comment before was meant in humor u seemed to take it as such Posted by The_Don90
I was dead serious nothing but the nuts is good enough
In Response to Re: 30nl - AKs on the button : i actually spoke to a player who i won't name privately not that long ago, and they play a much better game than me and ii actually dicsussed AK v nits, and he says v certain opponents he just folds AK because its soo much easier than having the desisions v a tight range post flop. Obviously this does help the op who is readless. Im not going to say anything about the hand much, my comment before was meant in humor u seemed to take it as such Posted by The_Don90
I obviously don't know the dynamic of the game you were in or between you and villain, I don't mind flatting here some of the time vs a tight player and playing vs them in pos post flop. If he has been generally active and also aggro vs your button steals then its obviously a 4-bet but smaller (you know this) and then getting it in to a 5-bet shove.
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I really didn't mean to sound arrogant or ignorant. I'm definitely not the best player at my level or even close, especially as I've only been playing this level for a month or so.
It was only because you seemed more focussed on whether we were gonna always be up against worse hands rather than the EV of the situation. Sorry if I came across badly, I've said this a few times but when I was learning the people who helped me the most and got it to stick in my head were always the people who were VERY direct, straight to the point and at times sometimes harsh.
Everyone's different though, like on 861 when they are diplomatic and see someone do something bad and an analyst says 'mmm well you could have played it a bit better...', I personally respond much better if they said to me 'what are you doing! This is really bad, you should never be doing XYZ...' but yeah everyone's different, no hard feelings I hope.
And yeah, granted we only have to correct price to call once we 4bet, and sometimes we can get ourselves in spots where we've madea a mistake and ended up inadvertently giving ourselves the right price to call even though we shouldn't have got ourselves into the situation in the first place. Some would argue that we shouldn't 4bet in the first place
Yeah thats why i find this situation weird you arguably are making a mistake by 4 bet against a possiable NIT but that mistake then gives you the platform to make a correct call of the all in lol so hard to get your head around somtimes.
In all i think this move is fine oop because its horriable to flat miss the flop and c/f, but essentially there are 2 different options, flat against a NIT and some Tags and 4 bet all in against fish and some Tags based upon the reads you have.