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FAO Lambert180

SLOWROLL74SLOWROLL74 Member Posts: 22
edited April 2013 in The Poker Clinic
Had a nice little battle with you in a couple of hands earlier, got well and truely coolered in this hand...

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceNJCFoldsSmall blind £0.10£0.10£18.28ricoramb03Big blind £0.20£0.30£19.47 Your hole cards77   TROGG463Fold    SLOWROLL74Raise £0.60£0.90£21.6368TreborCall £0.60£1.50£40.86Lambert180Call £0.60£2.10£37.83NJCFoldsFold    ricoramb03Fold    Flop  679   SLOWROLL74Bet £0.80£2.90£20.8368TreborCall £0.80£3.70£40.06Lambert180Raise £3.20£6.90£34.63SLOWROLL74Raise £8.00£14.90£12.8368TreborFold    Lambert180All-in £34.63£49.53£0.00SLOWROLL74All-in £12.83£62.36£0.00Lambert180Unmatched bet £16.20£46.16£16.20SLOWROLL74Show77   Lambert180Show99   Turn  4   River  2   Lambert180WinThree 9s£44.36 £60.56
Made a loose-ish call on the button here with K-8 from your 3-bet but I know your a decent player who could let hands go, so I decided to make the call and rep whatever comes on the flop, luckily enough it was a K.

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance68TreborSmall blind £0.10£0.10£40.88Lambert180Big blind £0.20£0.30£60.06 Your hole cards8K   NJCFoldsFold    ricoramb03Fold    TROGG463Fold    SLOWROLL74Raise £0.60£0.90£23.4168TreborFold    Lambert180Raise £1.60£2.50£58.46SLOWROLL74Call £1.20£3.70£22.21Flop  97K   Lambert180Bet £2.10£5.80£56.36SLOWROLL74Call £2.10£7.90£20.11Turn  3 <td class="hhamt" style
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited April 2013
    In Response to FAO Lambert180:
    Had a nice little battle with you in a couple of hands earlier, got well and truely coolered in this hand... Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance NJCFolds Small blind   £0.10 £0.10 £18.28 ricoramb03 Big blind   £0.20 £0.30 £19.47   Your hole cards 7 7       TROGG463 Fold         SLOWROLL74 Raise   £0.60 £0.90 £21.63 68Trebor Call   £0.60 £1.50 £40.86 Lambert180 Call   £0.60 £2.10 £37.83 NJCFolds Fold         ricoramb03 Fold         Flop     6 7 9       SLOWROLL74 Bet   £0.80 £2.90 £20.83 68Trebor Call   £0.80 £3.70 £40.06 Lambert180 Raise   £3.20 £6.90 £34.63 SLOWROLL74 Raise   £8.00 £14.90 £12.83 68Trebor Fold         Lambert180 All-in   £34.63 £49.53 £0.00 SLOWROLL74 All-in   £12.83 £62.36 £0.00 Lambert180 Unmatched bet   £16.20 £46.16 £16.20 SLOWROLL74 Show 7 7       Lambert180 Show 9 9       Turn     4       River     2       Lambert180 Win Three 9s £44.36   £60.56 Made a loose-ish call on the button here with K-8 from your 3-bet but I know your a decent player who could let hands go, so I decided to make the call and rep whatever comes on the flop, luckily enough it was a K. Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance 68Trebor Small blind   £0.10 £0.10 £40.88 Lambert180 Big blind   £0.20 £0.30 £60.06   Your hole cards 8 K       NJCFolds Fold         ricoramb03 Fold         TROGG463 Fold         SLOWROLL74 Raise   £0.60 £0.90 £23.41 68Trebor Fold         Lambert180 Raise   £1.60 £2.50 £58.46 SLOWROLL74 Call   £1.20 £3.70 £22.21 Flop     9 7 K       Lambert180 Bet   £2.10 £5.80 £56.36 SLOWROLL74 Call   £2.10 £7.90 £20.11 Turn     3       Lambert180 Check         SLOWROLL74 Bet   £3.50 £11.40 £16.61 Lambert180 Call   £3.50 £14.90 £52.86 River     5       Lambert180 Check         SLOWROLL74 Check         Lambert180 Show J J       SLOWROLL74 Show 8 K       SLOWROLL74 Win Pair of Kings £14.15   £30.76 But yeah, good game, look forward to playing you again soon!
    Posted by SLOWROLL74
    Probably wouldn't get into the habit of doing this
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited April 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO Lambert180:
    In Response to FAO Lambert180 : Probably wouldn't get into the habit of doing this
    Posted by percival09
    Why not... It's fun vs Lambert! :) 
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  • SLOWROLL74SLOWROLL74 Member Posts: 22
    edited April 2013
    Why not? I'm in position against a player who I know can fold an hand. I'm sat fairly deep for the stakes so I know I have got the stack to get him off a flop he doesn't like. Plus if he looks like he is strong when the board comes I will just get away from it. Cards were literally irrelevant in that spot, I could of had 8-3 off suit, I would still of made the call.
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited April 2013
    Because just deciding to make a move on any flop probably isn't profitable. Especially when you probably have no idea about the range he's 3betting you with. Considering I assume he's 3betting you with a value range only, there are numerous flops where it'd be horrendous to "make a move". Sure, if you're just doing it for fun and don't mind burning money then go ahead, I'm sure Lambert doesn't mind. 
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  • SLOWROLL74SLOWROLL74 Member Posts: 22
    edited April 2013
    Pre-flop I don't care if he has AA, I don't care about his range either when I'm in position. I am calling pre to hopefully get a really wet board and hope he has an hand exactly like he did. We haven't played together so you wouldn't know but I always put my opponents in awkward spots. Over time in cash games I'm a winning player so I can't be doing too wrong.
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited April 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO Lambert180:
    Pre-flop I don't care if he has AA, I don't care about his range either when I'm in position. I am calling pre to hopefully get a really wet board and hope he has an hand exactly like he did. We haven't played together so you wouldn't know but I always put my opponents in awkward spots. Over time in cash games I'm a winning player so I can't be doing too wrong.
    Posted by SLOWROLL74
    No need to get defensive, I'm just stating why you were wrong. You said make a move on any flop. Making a move on wet flops where he's less likely to have connected knowing his range then it's completely fine to make a move if you know what you're doing postflop. 

    I can assure you though, just calling a 3bet in position to make a move on any flop w/out giving much thought on villains range and what we're actually repping then you're just not going to get very far. 

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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited April 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO Lambert180:
    In Response to Re: FAO Lambert180 : No need to get defensive, I'm just stating why you were wrong. You said make a move on any flop. Making a move on wet flops where he's less likely to have connected knowing his range then it's completely fine to make a move if you know what you're doing postflop.  I can assure you though, just calling a 3bet in position to make a move on any flop w/out giving much thought on villains range and what we're actually repping then you're just not going to get very far. 
    Posted by percival09
    +1

    You've got to think about your opponent's range and tendencies, as well as your own image and lots of other things. Just calling 3-bets to make moves without considering those things is going to mean trouble.
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited April 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO Lambert180:
    In Response to Re: FAO Lambert180 : +1 You've got to think about your opponent's range and tendencies, as well as your own image and lots of other things. Just calling 3-bets to make moves without considering those things is going to mean trouble.
    Posted by BorinLoner
    **** fun tho! :)


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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited April 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO Lambert180:
    In Response to Re: FAO Lambert180 : **** fun tho! :)
    Posted by GREGHOGG
    Not against a station like Lambert. :)
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  • SLOWROLL74SLOWROLL74 Member Posts: 22
    edited April 2013
    No don't worry percival09 I'm not, sorry about that post I have just read it back and it sounds a lot worse than it was meant to. I'm not completely disagreeing with what your saying, I'm sure your a good player, in fact I know you are by the way you are talking. I just felt like I had to explain why I did what I did. Against an unknown player I would completely agree with what your saying but I know Lambert180 has poker knowledge, I was simply playing the player, not the cards.
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited April 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO Lambert180:
    In Response to Re: FAO Lambert180 : Not against a station like Lambert. :)
    Posted by BorinLoner
    Making stations fold with our air is like the best feeling tho, especially when we show the bluff :)


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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited April 2013
    i said elsewhere but isnt it good to flat 3bets v fish ;) 


    on a serious note, playing weird v regs is  good thing long term i think. 
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  • SLOWROLL74SLOWROLL74 Member Posts: 22
    edited April 2013
    Thankyou Don, finally someone who agrees.
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited April 2013
    Playing weird vs regs. You need to know what you're doing and balance!! You shouldn't just think, "ok, im going to donk this flop, c/r the turn, and c/jam the river cos im a weird freak" u need to actually involve some thought process and not just take weird lines for the sake of it because it'll often back fire.

    Of course don't be predictable, but thinking stuff like "ok this guy 3bets a lot, im going to raise any flop" just isn't that amazing. 

    And also, if you're not being exploited then you don't need to change anything. If you're playing a reg and just playing standard abc poker and he keeps paying you off in horrendous spots, there's no need to take weird lines vs him because it's pointless. I'd only recommend taking weird lines when you move higher up the limits and play vs genuine regs who think more
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited April 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO Lambert180:
    Playing weird vs regs. You need to know what you're doing and balance!! You shouldn't just think, "ok, im going to donk this flop, c/r the turn, and c/jam the river cos im a weird freak" u need to actually involve some thought process and not just take weird lines for the sake of it because it'll often back fire. Of course don't be predictable, but thinking stuff like "ok this guy 3bets a lot, im going to raise any flop" just isn't that amazing.  And also, if you're not being exploited then you don't need to change anything. If you're playing a reg and just playing standard abc poker and he keeps paying you off in horrendous spots, there's no need to take weird lines vs him because it's pointless. I'd only recommend taking weird lines when you move higher up the limits and play vs genuine regs who think more your assuming every 1 are thinking players alot of players on sky dnt have much thought process n just click buttons :) n think after
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    Yeah precisely. That means we don't really have to take that many weird lines. By all means mix up your play but if you're not being exploited then don't change
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited April 2013
    really should be value betting the K8 on the river
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  • SHANXTASHANXTA Member Posts: 1,507
    edited April 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO Lambert180:
    really should be value betting the K8 on the river
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    phew, thought i was on my own with that thinking
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited April 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO Lambert180:
    In Response to Re: FAO Lambert180 : phew, thought i was on my own with that thinking
    Posted by SHANXTA
    Lol I also thought that. Given the situation, he wouldn't have got another penny out of me (obv he doesn't know that).
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited April 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO Lambert180:
    In Response to Re: FAO Lambert180 : phew, thought i was on my own with that thinking
    Posted by SHANXTA
    hahahah +1 

    first thing i thought when i saw the first two hands, wasnt brave enuf to post proper advice on cash lol
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