Horriable turn raise

robbie1992

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Grafix	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£24.37
	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£23.34
	Your hole cards	K K
Chord	Fold
UP	Fold
robbie1992	Raise		£0.60	£0.90	£13.84
Grafix	Fold
	Call		£0.40	£1.30	£22.94
Flop
		2 K 4
	Check
robbie1992	Bet		£0.98	£2.28	£12.86
	Call		£0.98	£3.26	£21.96
Turn
		A
	Check
robbie1992	Bet		£3.26	£6.52	£9.60
	Raise		£8.15	£14.67	£13.81
robbie1992	All-in		£9.60	£24.27	£0.00
	Call		£4.71	£28.98	£9.10
	Show	3 5
robbie1992	Show	K K
River
		8
	Win	Straight to the 5	£27.53		£36.63

Oppoennt was loose passive and playing alot of suited connectors/one gappers and was paying alot for draws.  Is this still the correct play  WITH A FULL STACK i had pressed reload before the hand and it was topping up next hand.  I think im still ahead of his range so its +ev, but i dont know what a passive player raises here with

1281

In Response to Horriable turn raise:

Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance Grafix Small blind   £0.10 £0.10 £24.37   Big blind   £0.20 £0.30 £23.34   Your hole cards K K       Chord Fold         UP Fold         robbie1992 Raise   £0.60 £0.90 £13.84 Grafix Fold           Call   £0.40 £1.30 £22.94 Flop     2 K 4         Check         robbie1992 Bet   £0.98 £2.28 £12.86   Call   £0.98 £3.26 £21.96 Turn     A         Check         robbie1992 Bet   £3.26 £6.52 £9.60   Raise   £8.15 £14.67 £13.81 robbie1992 All-in   £9.60 £24.27 £0.00   Call   £4.71 £28.98 £9.10   Show 3 5       robbie1992 Show K K       River     8         Win Straight to the 5 £27.53   £36.63 Oppoennt was loose passive and playing alot of suited connectors/one gappers and was paying alot for draws.  Is this still the correct play  WITH A FULL STACK i had pressed reload before the hand and it was topping up next hand.  I think im still ahead of his range so its +ev, but i dont know what a passive player raises here with
Posted by robbie1992

it's awful but what can you do?
nothing
and i'm sure we've all done it, but 5 high call pre flop!!
just not right is it

Lambert180

It's not a horrible turn raise tbh, I'm loving it when they raise here.

You have to get it all in here, just unlucky, remember you still have like 20% chance of housing up on the river.

robbie1992

suppose so, just think im gonna see alot of flukey things here that are beating me, guess im ahead of his range tho so prob the right decision, just an annoyin hand

liamboi11

when a taggy player c/r turn I don`t like it but when a loose passive player c/r turn it`s even worse because it`s usually pretty much the nuts but its hard to fold your hand in game so think I go broke also but like you said you were already reloading soon money was in but vul.

The_Don90

i think we have to go broke, unless we have nutting reads, which it doesnt seem we have. 

sighcall

1. sit with 100BB

2. bet smaller flop.

3. check turn.

This is what I would do

EDIT: just saw you said you were reloading. Still 2. and 3. stand IMO. 

SHANXTA

In Response to Re: Horriable turn raise:

1. sit with 100BB 2. bet smaller flop. 3. check turn. This is what I would do EDIT: just saw you said you were reloading. Still 2. and 3. stand IMO. 
Posted by sighcall

why?

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: Horriable turn raise:

1. sit with 100BB 2. bet smaller flop. 3. check turn. This is what I would do EDIT: just saw you said you were reloading. Still 2. and 3. stand IMO. 
Posted by sighcall

I wud have just highlighted this bit. 

!!!!!! ??????

NColley

Would bet £1 or £1.20 on flop, and ~ £2.60 on turn, don't use the amounts from the auto bet size buttons.. gives away the fact your just a button clicker..

Anyway, regarding playing it differently on the turn. I don't think you can this deep, even 100bb deep I think its still a stack off. That A is just such a great card because now maybe some villains will value raise with the As/ or they'll see it as a great bluffing card.

robbie1992

In Response to Re: Horriable turn raise:

1. sit with 100BB 2. bet smaller flop. 3. check turn. This is what I would do EDIT: just saw you said you were reloading. Still 2. and 3. stand IMO. 
Posted by sighcall

wtf........

bet smaller then 1/2 pot when he could be drawing to a flush card?

check turn? when an ace comes which i can get value from and always again i get value from flush ddraiwng hands

Lambert180

In Response to Re: Horriable turn raise:

when u get raised on the flop what are u beating fold 
Posted by IDONKCALLU

He got raised on the turn.

He's got middle set. We can't be assuming someone has a flopped flush every single time we get raised on the turn in this spot or turned the straight (we can assume he's never flatting AA pre)

We're ahead of all AsX hands which may have just took the passive line with the NFD on the flop and has decided to take off now he has NFD and TP. If villian is calling 35s from the BB, then he's almost definitely calling A2s and A4s from the BB too and probably A4o/A2o which could/would also play the hand like this.

Also, while he's not getting the direct odds to draw to this, it's still some equity when we find ourselves against the hands we aren't already beating, we have three 2s, three 4s, three As and one King to either make a boat or quads. So 10 outs to what will almost certainly be the best hand. So we got 20% equity just there against everything bar like AA.