fitzer... im thinking players have got better, uve stayed the same, now you cant win... probably playing outside your bankroll thats why your feeling like your gambling with your roll... drop down a few limits.
fitzer... im thinking players have got better, uve stayed the same, now you cant win... probably playing outside your bankroll thats why your feeling like your gambling with your roll... drop down a few limits. Posted by BlackFish3
This could well be the case.
$1/$2 level is certainly not full of fish and lucksters these days.
In my opinion the 2p/4p cash tables are very hard to play on because of the chancers that play at that level. People who will call virtually any raise with any 2 cards in any position. Because of this it is almost impossible to get a read on the cards that these players have. I am not talking about people playing hands like 45 or 87 but people who play Q2o or J4o.These guys are getting into the pot just hoping to get lucky. At the higher levels i can imagine that people will still call with these hands but with a purpose in mind and not just hoping to get lucky.
I see 2p/4p tables which regularly have 5 or 6 people seeing the flop. This is a very hard level to play against as the game just becomes luck based. Although i have not played at the higher levels i assume that the pure luck based play is not as rife and poker skill(which i do not possess at the cash game) will come more into play.
Okay Fitzer I fully understand your point about enjoying the game. Thats what it's all about I suppose, I hate low stakes games as I don't enjoy them, and end up donking off just to get out of them! So I do see where your coming from.
If playing bigger stakes has the same effect on you, then it could become alot more expensive.
You're gettin abit of resistance from a few people throughout this thread, but I do understand what ya mean now.
am them stakes they give a dam what cards there got call anything just new players plus it was saturday might have been on the beers there keep saying dont happen at higher levels thats rubbish
In my opinion the 2p/4p cash tables are very hard to play on because of the chancers that play at that level. People who will call virtually any raise with any 2 cards in any position. Because of this it is almost impossible to get a read on the cards that these players have. I am not talking about people playing hands like 45 or 87 but people who play Q2o or J4o.These guys are getting into the pot just hoping to get lucky. At the higher levels i can imagine that people will still call with these hands but with a purpose in mind and not just hoping to get lucky. I see 2p/4p tables which regularly have 5 or 6 people seeing the flop. This is a very hard level to play against as the game just becomes luck based. Although i have not played at the higher levels i assume that the pure luck based play is not as rife and poker skill(which i do not possess at the cash game) will come more into play. Posted by Talon
2p/4p is not hard to play as you dont need to get reads on people or put them on hands. You just need to play ur own cards, bet big hands strong, never bluff and you are a guaranteed winner here. Making your standard opening raises 5 or 6x bb should cut down on players per flop. If it doesnt, then make your raises bigger.
Agree with OmahonyO. The key to cash is to have the ability to constantly adapt to your table.
Some tables I will play super tight, others I will play superLAG. And as Tikay said last night, if a certain player is giving you problems either move seat so you have position on them or simply stand all together and find a new table.
onc saw lolufold win £1200 fishing with 89 diamonds guy raised big preflop with kk lolufold called nothing to worry about on the flop there was two diamonds so guy with kk pushed all in £470 lolufold called it a diamond on the river thats fishing the high stakes
onc saw lolufold win £1200 fishing with 89 diamonds guy raised big preflop with kk lolufold called nothing to worry about on the flop there was two diamonds so guy with kk pushed all in £470 lolufold called it a diamond on the river thats fishing the high stakes Posted by scrumdown
lolufold doesn't fish. he makes the best descions 99pc of the time.
thats why he has the sickest roll on site. i wouldn't be surprised if his roll was like 1000BIs at 500nl
when you are that rolled you can make these kind of high variance plays.
In my opinion the 2p/4p cash tables are very hard to play on because of the chancers that play at that level. People who will call virtually any raise with any 2 cards in any position. Because of this it is almost impossible to get a read on the cards that these players have. I am not talking about people playing hands like 45 or 87 but people who play Q2o or J4o.These guys are getting into the pot just hoping to get lucky. At the higher levels i can imagine that people will still call with these hands but with a purpose in mind and not just hoping to get lucky. I see 2p/4p tables which regularly have 5 or 6 people seeing the flop. This is a very hard level to play against as the game just becomes luck based. Although i have not played at the higher levels i assume that the pure luck based play is not as rife and poker skill(which i do not possess at the cash game) will come more into play. Posted by Talon
i have played on 2p/4p tables an have not come across too many problems to be honest. But i am getting right into the cash game, what level would you suggest talon?
Wayne the level to play at is the one decided by your bankroll. Using the rule of a minimum of 10 pull ups. I would suggest moving your way through the levels until you find the one that is best for you. Do not be too proud to go down a level if you have overstretched yourself. Also remember that it is possible to make more money at a lower level than your max if you can find the right tables.
The ideal table will be the one that you feel happiest playing. At the bankrolls that most of the players on this site have having fun is more important than making a load of money. If you can do both then all well and good. You have a job and that will give you all the stress you need the game needs to be fun
Thanks for the advice guys! i am happy on the 2p / 4p as i have only just started playing cash tables so i will stick with what's comfertable i think an stay at micro level. Have got my bankroll from £20 to just over £90 and do not want to throw it away. But the cash tables are completely different an i really enjoyed them. The money is nice for sure, but i do want to keep enjoying my game so it's quite an easy decision really.
I may venture to 5p 10p, but only when i feel ok with it. As you said talon i have enough stress with my job on some days and don't want it at the tables too
In Response to Re: Why play on the cash tables when you do everything by the book and still get called by the donks. : lolufold doesn't fish. he makes the best descions 99pc of the time. thats why he has the sickest roll on site. i wouldn't be surprised if his roll was like 1000BIs at 500nl when you are that rolled you can make these kind of high variance plays. Posted by scotty77
500k br, thats insane. what about sparce. I have actually never seen him play he just seems to always be sitting at hi stakes hu tables on his own twiddling his thumbs
In Response to Re: Why play on the cash tables when you do everything by the book and still get called by the donks. : 500k br, thats insane. what about sparce. I have actually never seen him play he just seems to always be sitting at hi stakes hu tables on his own twiddling his thumbs Posted by OMahonyO
hi, you say that you only play premium hands so do'nt you think the rest of the table see this. right or wrong you are going to be called by poor hands as the implied odds you are giving( as other players know you will bet out) when you are called makes it sometimes worth calling you to see the flop especially on the low stake tables as the bet is not financially prohibitive. Think about it on a .02/.04 table 4 times the bb is only .16 and if you hit you know that the return will be pounds. This type of play will eventually see you go broke if done all the time, but on the occassional gut feeling can be profitable.
hi, you say that you only play premium hands so do'nt you think the rest of the table see this. right or wrong you are going to be called by poor hands as the implied odds you are giving( as other players know you will bet out) when you are called makes it sometimes worth calling you to see the flop especially on the low stake tables as the bet is not financially prohibitive. Think about it on a .02/.04 table 4 times the bb is only .16 and if you hit you know that the return will be pounds. This type of play will eventually see you go broke if done all the time, but on the occassional gut feeling can be profitable. Posted by st4r
No, I dont think the rest of the table sees this and most players at 2p/4p know nothing about implied odds. The actual monetary value of a bet and raise should make no difference. It should be thought of in terms of big blinds
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This could well be the case.
$1/$2 level is certainly not full of fish and lucksters these days.
I see 2p/4p tables which regularly have 5 or 6 people seeing the flop. This is a very hard level to play against as the game just becomes luck based. Although i have not played at the higher levels i assume that the pure luck based play is not as rife and poker skill(which i do not possess at the cash game) will come more into play.
Okay Fitzer I fully understand your point about enjoying the game. Thats what it's all about I suppose, I hate low stakes games as I don't enjoy them, and end up donking off just to get out of them! So I do see where your coming from.
If playing bigger stakes has the same effect on you, then it could become alot more expensive.
You're gettin abit of resistance from a few people throughout this thread, but I do understand what ya mean now.
GL, DOHH
2p/4p is not hard to play as you dont need to get reads on people or put them on hands. You just need to play ur own cards, bet big hands strong, never bluff and you are a guaranteed winner here. Making your standard opening raises 5 or 6x bb should cut down on players per flop. If it doesnt, then make your raises bigger.
The ideal table will be the one that you feel happiest playing. At the bankrolls that most of the players on this site have having fun is more important than making a load of money. If you can do both then all well and good. You have a job and that will give you all the stress you need the game needs to be fun