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TPGK v oppo with bizzare line - almost readless - NL10

The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
edited April 2013 in The Poker Clinic
Only previous note was old and basically said the guy had slowplayed KK from the blinds, nothing about how where or when. 

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancehowellzeeSmall blind £0.05£0.05£9.60xBig blind £0.10£0.15£8.33 Your hole cardsJA   BIG444Fold    The_Don90Raise £0.30£0.45£9.50novarapidCall £0.30£0.75£10.41Cash_DaddyFold    howellzeeFold    xCall £0.20£0.95£8.13Flop  Q4A   xCheck    The_Don90Bet £0.80£1.75£8.70novarapidFold    xRaise £2.71£4.46£5.42The_Don90Call £1.91£6.37£6.79Turn  7   xCheck    The_Don90Check    River  6   xCheck    The_Don90

I pot controled turn given his flop play, however on the river should we be checking back or value betting. And why. 
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,494
    edited April 2013
    Value betting it, he has just raised to try and get you off the pot.

    He's then went check check, there isnt much chance we are behind here. Value bet it all the way.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited April 2013
    I bet a bit smaller on the flop but meh.

    I think when you call the flop raise and it goes check/check on the turn, and he checks the river, we gotta V-bet. Bet fold though. About £4.10
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited April 2013
    I agree with not betting so much on the flop. We don't want to make it hard for our opponent to call us with worse hands.

    I also agree that it's a bet/fold on the river, although I wouldn't bet as much as £4. I'd probably bet less than half the pot because his line should mean he has a fairly weak range and just wanted to take it down on the flop. We want to tempt him to call with a rag Ace or Queen. I'd probably just bet £2 or so.

    What range did you think he had for check-raising the flop? Not many draws he could have had. If he barrells the turn, are we folding?
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  • UnknownUnknown
    edited April 2013
    Whilst value-betting small is good for this hand in particular, Id be very very tempted to check behind and use the information about his c/r range on flop for the future
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited April 2013
    In Response to Re: TPGK v oppo with bizzare line - almost readless - NL10:
    Whilst value-betting small is good for this hand in particular, Id be very very tempted to check behind and use the information about his c/r range on flop for the future
    Posted by CoxyLboro
    So much this, completely dry flop to C/R and shut down on.  If we find out he C/Rs things like KQ for information then that could really help us exploit them in the future.
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited April 2013
    +1 Tommy and Coxy.
    Can you do a +1 to two posts at once?

    The information is probably more valuable than the two quid.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited April 2013
    I went for the check back to ge the note, wasnt sure it was right for the long term. 

    Annoyingly he insta stood :( 


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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited April 2013
    In Response to Re: TPGK v oppo with bizzare line - almost readless - NL10:
    I went for the check back to ge the note, wasnt sure it was right for the long term.  Annoyingly he insta stood :( 
    Posted by The_Don90
    super frustrating when that happens, that and when they quit the table in the middle of your note and the next time you see them all your existing notes have gone too!
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited April 2013
    In Response to Re: TPGK v oppo with bizzare line - almost readless - NL10:
    +1 Tommy and Coxy. Can you do a +1 to two posts at once? The information is probably more valuable than the two quid.
    Posted by BorinLoner
    why when 2 quid is 50bb's

    vbet
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited April 2013
    In Response to Re: TPGK v oppo with bizzare line - almost readless - NL10:
    In Response to Re: TPGK v oppo with bizzare line - almost readless - NL10 : why when 2 quid is 50bb's vbet
    Posted by percival09
    £2 is 20BB 
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited April 2013
    In Response to Re: TPGK v oppo with bizzare line - almost readless - NL10:
    In Response to Re: TPGK v oppo with bizzare line - almost readless - NL10 : why when 2 quid is 50bb's vbet
    Posted by percival09
    It's NL10, so it's only 20BB.

    Besides, we'd have to say that our opponent's line makes it fairly uncertain that even this 1/3 pot bet is paid. The value of the information is guaranteed if we check. We're of course assuming that we'll see this chap again when we say check.

    Knowing what he's check-raising the flop then giving up on turn and river with should help us out alot more than the 20BB, down the line.
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited April 2013
    sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited April 2013
    if he c/r 2nd pair or Arag he'll call a vbet on river. Id also bet more than 1/3 pot. Also if you dont know hes a reg in the game info is of limited use, especially if its just one single hand you get info on

    its a b/f though id find it tough to fold if he c/r me on river cos his line would supertilt me
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited April 2013
    £2.80 on the rivaaaaa
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited April 2013
    In Response to Re: TPGK v oppo with bizzare line - almost readless - NL10:
    if he c/r 2nd pair or Arag he'll call a vbet on river. Id also bet more than 1/3 pot. Also if you dont know hes a reg in the game info is of limited use, especially if its just one single hand you get info on its a b/f though id find it tough to fold if he c/r me on river cos his line would supertilt me
    Posted by grantorino
    sight for sore eyes good to see you back. 
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