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Shove the flop? Butchered hand

LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
edited April 2013 in The Poker Clinic
This is a hand against dev,

I flopped the world and just call the flop, which must be terrible haha

I guess i have to ship the flop? I have 20 million outs
chipretze Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £4.18
westslay23 Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £3.69
  Your hole cards
  • 3
  • A
     
Cash_Daddy Fold     
devonfish5 Raise  £0.30 £0.45 £10.04
sportycus Fold     
LARSON7 Call  £0.30 £0.75 £7.55
chipretze Call  £0.25 £1.00 £3.93
westslay23 Fold     
Flop
   
  • 3
  • 4
  • Q
     
chipretze Check     
devonfish5 Bet  £0.90 £1.90 £9.14
LARSON7 Call  £0.90 £2.80 £6.65
chipretze Call  £0.90 £3.70 £3.03
Turn
   
  • 10
     
chipretze Check     
devonfish5 Bet  £3.70 £7.40 £5.44
LARSON7 Fold     
chipretze Fold     
devonfish5 Muck     
devonfish5 Win  £3.42  £8.86
devonfish5 Return  £3.70
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  • WilhelmWilhelm Member Posts: 1,730
    edited April 2013
    I would never shove the flop, but definitely raise with the intention of getting it in.  We can get them to fold or we can get it in with a lot of equity, probably as a slight favourite.
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  • liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
    edited April 2013
    I raise his bet on flop to around £2.40-£3 and get it in on flop you but as played yeah gotta fold turn
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited April 2013
    Yeh prob raise esp given the bet sizing. Don't mind flatting the flop sometimes if villain uses smaller sizing
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  • 10NGY10NGY Member Posts: 108
    edited April 2013
    Fold pre! 
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited April 2013
    In Response to Re: Shove the flop? Butchered hand:
    Fold pre! 
    Posted by 10NGY
    Not this deep ip imo. 3b would be fine though
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  • 10NGY10NGY Member Posts: 108
    edited April 2013
    78 bigs? How is that deep?
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited April 2013
    In Response to Re: Shove the flop? Butchered hand:
    78 bigs? How is that deep?
    Posted by 10NGY
    Sorry, misread , thought hero was 200bb deep at 4nl for some reason

    Yeah I like folding pre too. 3b>flat imo
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited April 2013
    Pull up for the maximum.

    Leaving this player's alias in would affect my advice, so I'm not going to say anything specific.

    Think about the villain's range pre-flop and on the flop for doing what he's done and ask yourself: "If I make this play 10,000 times will I win more money than I lose?"
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited April 2013
    raise flop. looks way stronger too with a player behind 

    as played nice fold ott
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited April 2013
    also remove names and take out results erjopfje
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited April 2013
    If you think u can get some folds than raise
    you have not got as much equity as you think
    all depends on what you think about oppo sizing
    calling />raising
    then again depends if spade comes on turn how you think oppo reacts to this with lead and also how oppo peceives you
    apart from that don't over value your hands without good reason
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