getting caught out by river cards

devonfish5

have I got to start getting away from calling in these spots?
as it is happening quite frequently,and costing me money?

should have just CALLED the £2.50 river bet,shouldn't I? looking back at it again.
but that's easy to say now,isn't it?
did I play it to passive and let him hit?
still unlucky though,isn't it?
or just badly played all round?

Amount	Pot	Balance
x	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£15.93
PiranhaNo1	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£8.32
	Your hole cards	3 3
devonfish5	Raise		£0.30	£0.45	£11.03
TONKS1	Fold
jamesydoc	Call		£0.30	£0.75	£8.65
WiLLington	Fold
x	Call		£0.25	£1.00	£15.68
PiranhaNo1	Fold
Flop
		J 3 6
x	Check
devonfish5	Bet		£0.30	£1.30	£10.73
jamesydoc	Fold
x	Raise		£0.80	£2.10	£14.88
devonfish5	Call		£0.50	£2.60	£10.23
Turn
		2
x	Bet		£0.90	£3.50	£13.98
devonfish5	Call		£0.90	£4.40	£9.33
River
		8
x	Bet		£2.50	£6.90	£11.48
devonfish5	Raise		£5.00	£11.90	£4.33
x	All-in		£11.48	£23.38	£0.00
devonfish5	All-in		£4.33	£27.71	£0.00
x	Unmatched bet		£4.65	£23.06	£4.65
x	Show	8 8
devonfish5	Show	3 3
x	Win	Three 8s	£21.66		£26.31

Lambert180

Bet WAY bigger on the flop, probably 70p ish. I can't think of many (any) scenarios in a cash game where we would ever want to c-bet for 30% of the pot.

I'm either raising the turn, or a better line imo, flatting the turn with the intention of raising practically all rivers.

Don't like the clickback on the river, if he'll call a clickback with worse, he'd probably call a shove too.

You've let him get there by being so passive. Hate the situation we're in after clicking back the river, and getting shoved on but don't think we can fold now.

When you flop big hands like sets, you need to be thinking about how you can stack him... your tiny bet on the flop, your flat on the turn, your click back on the river, all make it virtually impossible to get him to put stacks in (apart from scenarios like this where we're beat).

DOHHHHHHH

Really tiny flop bet Dev. more conviction!!!!!!

devonfish5

In Response to Re: getting caught out by river cards:

Bet WAY bigger on the flop, probably 70p ish. I can't think of many (any) scenarios in a cash game where we would ever want to c-bet for 30% of the pot. I'm either raising the turn, or a better line imo, flatting the turn with the intention of raising practically all rivers. Don't like the clickback on the river, if he'll call a clickback with worse, he'd probably call a shove too. You've let him get there by being so passive. Hate the situation we're in after clicking back the river, and getting shoved on but don't think we can fold now. When you flop big hands like sets, you need to be thinking about how you can stack him... your tiny bet on the flop, your flat on the turn, your click back on the river, all make it virtually impossible to get him to put stacks in (apart from scenarios like this where we're beat).
Posted by Lambert180

thank you Paul
I still cant get used to betting big when I hit as you can see.
also i'm not betting enough of the pot on each street,as you can see.
on river again I've messed up by clicking back as you say.and calling allin was horrible too,but i'm sure you can see why I did.
thought pre flop was good though.  lol

anyway,still early days and at least you have shown me exactly what I've done wrong..again.
i'll try and do better in future.  lol

dev

anyway,at least I've had some

devonfish5

In Response to Re: getting caught out by river cards:

bet bigger each street   u bet small priced the guy in 
Posted by IDONKCALLU

ty steve

dev

devonfish5

In Response to Re: getting caught out by river cards:

Really tiny flop bet Dev. more conviction!!!!!!
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

yeah,gotta get used to making my minimum bet 50% of pot at least,if not more.
ty mate

dev

ps;made a note; bet 50%pot minimum every street

see if I can do it.  lol

devonfish5

In Response to Re: getting caught out by river cards:

make your bets the same if its a bluff or not so if u missed this flop still bet 60p say and if u hit set same bet that way u dnt get any tells
Posted by IDONKCALLU

ty steve

yes that makes perfect sense mate

(still got a lot to learn)  lol

grantorino

In Response to Re: getting caught out by river cards:

Bet WAY bigger on the flop, probably 70p ish. I can't think of many (any) scenarios in a cash game where we would ever want to c-bet for 30% of the pot. I'm either raising the turn, or a better line imo, flatting the turn with the intention of raising practically all rivers. Don't like the clickback on the river, if he'll call a clickback with worse, he'd probably call a shove too. You've let him get there by being so passive. Hate the situation we're in after clicking back the river, and getting shoved on but don't think we can fold now. When you flop big hands like sets, you need to be thinking about how you can stack him... your tiny bet on the flop, your flat on the turn, your click back on the river, all make it virtually impossible to get him to put stacks in (apart from scenarios like this where we're beat).
Posted by Lambert180

Should he play more aggressively to make him fold a pair? You haven't advocated a more aggressive line on any street, just different sizing. I agree his sizing should be bigger flop and river

Lambert180

Sigh, knew I'd get picked up on this, and hadn't bothered to go back and sort it.

Obv we're not betting bigger (or potentially raising) with the intention of trying to make him fold a worse hand, just to get more value from him. Initially, I said I preferred flatting the turn, but looking at their sizing, I think it's too small for us to just call and let them set themselves such a good price

grantorino

In Response to Re: getting caught out by river cards:

Sigh, knew I'd get picked up on this, and hadn't bothered to go back and sort it. Obv we're not betting bigger (or potentially raising) with the intention of trying to make him fold a worse hand, just to get more value from him. Initially, I said I preferred flatting the turn, but looking at their sizing, I think it's too small for us to just call and let them set themselves such a good price
Posted by Lambert180

Yeah I know you get this. Just hate the phrase "you let him get there" when our intention is to keep villain calling. Obv bet flop bigger for value, I don't hate 3betting it, calling prob standard depends on villain. I dunno about calling turn, I think raising enough so we can jam river prob best, call ok too. He's very few draws so not too worried about letting him set his price

Dev, bigger flop and river , as played calling river shove is fine imo

DrSharp

Its a really dry flop so I would bet say 60-75p but I think this is an ideal spot to really think about our c-betting size. If we c-bet 60-70p as a general rule (usually just over half pot) then we should balance our range a little by betting 60-70p with monsters such as a set on a super dry board otherwise we become readable.
 
If its a slightly more dangerous board, say a possible flush draw as well as it being J high then we not only get value off J's but also flush draws so I would bet slightly more to charge them to see the next card but I don't mean £1.50, I mean more like 70-85p instead of our c-betting price of 60-70p.

Lets face it. Its a set over a set so its just a little unfortunate in this instance but yeah your betsizing needs a little work.

On a more basic level. We hit a set, so firstly, YEAHHHH! Secondly, lets start shovelling those chips in eh?

devonfish5

In Response to Re: getting caught out by river cards:

In Response to Re: getting caught out by river cards : Yeah I know you get this. Just hate the phrase "you let him get there" when our intention is to keep villain calling. Obv bet flop bigger for value, I don't hate 3betting it, calling prob standard depends on villain. I dunno about calling turn, I think raising enough so we can jam river prob best, call ok too. He's very few draws so not too worried about letting him set his price Dev, bigger flop and river , as played calling river shove is fine imo
Posted by grantorino

ty gt

yes,thats my limited thinking thinking atm I want villain calling.

bet sizing is a problem atm but it's fixable.

got to get the balance right between calling & folding these big river shoves.

played one y'day where I called similar to here and he had trips to my flush,so I guess atm it's all 'swings and roundabouts' while i'm still learning.

devonfish5

In Response to Re: getting caught out by river cards:

Its a really dry flop so I would bet say 60-75p but I think this is an ideal spot to really think about our c-betting size. If we c-bet 60-70p as a general rule (usually just over half pot) then we should balance our range a little by betting 60-70p with monsters such as a set on a super dry board otherwise we become readable.   If its a slightly more dangerous board, say a possible flush draw as well as it being J high then we not only get value off J's but also flush draws so I would bet slightly more to charge them to see the next card but I don't mean £1.50, I mean more like 70-85p instead of our c-betting price of 60-70p. Lets face it. Its a set over a set so its just a little unfortunate in this instance but yeah your betsizing needs a little work. On a more basic level. We hit a set, so firstly, YEAHHHH! Secondly, lets start shovelling those chips in eh?
Posted by DrSharp

ty dr,

yeah,i've made a note to bet 50% of pot minimum so i'll start using that as my guide and go from there,
from tomorrow.
just watched the mastercash live hour so seen the experts doing it properly.  lol

saw Rancid on a 25p/50p table so looks like he's making good progress.  wp ranny.

I've a long way to go I know,but I live in hope I might one day get there.  lol
well a 5p/10p mastercash table then.  lol


dev