Started well this afternoon... was about £100 up... then lost it... Went out and saw some mates and decided il come back and start afresh. Things went from bad to worse. There was a guy on my table who was super aggro and kept hitting everything and kept stacking me on 20nl with rubbish. I was getting a bit tilted but knew if i continued to play id eventually get it back.
So i waited for a big hand... and this happened:
Lawson1987
Small blind
£0.10
£0.10
£16.65
gazza127
Big blind
£0.20
£0.30
£58.04
Your hole cards
A
A
stfc_1953
Fold
clowbow
Raise
£0.80
£1.10
£42.33
GELDY
Fold
INFINITYEV
Fold
Lawson1987
Call
£0.70
£1.80
£15.95
gazza127
Raise
£3.00
£4.80
£55.04
clowbow
Call
£2.40
£7.20
£39.93
Lawson1987
Fold
Flop
9
6
3
gazza127
Bet
£4.80
£12.00
£50.24
clowbow
Raise
£9.60
£21.60
£30.33
gazza127
Call
£4.80
£26.40
£45.44
Turn
9
gazza127
Check
clowbow
Bet
£13.20
£39.60
£17.13
gazza127
Raise
£28.00
£67.60
£17.44
clowbow
Call
£14.80
£82.40
£2.33
River
5
gazza127
Bet
£2.40
£84.80
£15.04
clowbow
Fold
gazza127
Muck
gazza127
Win
£80.60
£95.64
gazza127
Return
£2.40
£1.80
£98.04
Funniest.fold.ever.
Played a bit longer and hit a few nice spots towards the end of the session... and ended up decent enough profit - especially as i was about £100 down at one point.
Just been reading your top ten tips for betting, great read, just wanted to pick your brains as, I have a keen interest in sports betting and have over the last few months grown a bankroll to be able to keep a regular interest in a lot of different markets I. E football, cricket, golf , rugby league etc, in fact I pretty much will look for the value in any market, however I do not fully understand "Asian handicap" , your post has gone someway to explaining it and from what I can see it looks like if you can find value anywhere it should be on this market in particular. Couple of questions.
1) do all bookies offer Asian handicap?
2) is it available on different markets or just football?
3) Should I be checking the market before placing a normal bet?
Thanks for your help and no doubt if you don't mind I'll bother u again?
Hi gaz Just been reading your top ten tips for betting, great read, just wanted to pick your brains as, I have a keen interest in sports betting and have over the last few months grown a bankroll to be able to keep a regular interest in a lot of different markets I. E football, cricket, golf , rugby league etc, in fact I pretty much will look for the value in any market, however I do not fully understand "Asian handicap" , your post has gone someway to explaining it and from what I can see it looks like if you can find value anywhere it should be on this market in particular. Couple of questions. 1) do all bookies offer Asian handicap? 2) is it available on different markets or just football? 3) Should I be checking the market before placing a normal bet? Thanks for your help and no doubt if you don't mind I'll bother u again? Regards Scott Posted by omm
Hi omm,
Nice to know ypu liked the betting guide. Hopefully this helps.
1) No, not all bookies offer it. Sky are one of the ones that tend to avoid the asian handicap markets. You should be looking at another bookie that works 365 days of the year (:P) 2) Yes I believe they are available on different sports. Tennis springs to mind, NFL, Basketball, Rugby amongst others. Its all about predicting how much a team will win by which can be applied across most sports. 3) Yes, without a shadow of a doubt. There tends to be so much value in the Asian Handicap market. For instance if you think Chelsea are going to win... Rather than placing an outright bet on Chelsea, you can choose them at AH-1. This way if they win by only one goal you get your stake back... if they win by more then you get significantly better odds. I do however feel there is so much more value in the +AH market. For instance last night I had a bet on M'Gladbach AH+3 against Bayern at 1.65 which came in as Bayern only won 3-1.
Dont hesitate to get in touch if you have an other questions
Brighton, blackpool and watford was my conservative treble. Brighton let me down after leading at home
Forrest, qpr and Brimingham in my 15/1 treble. Predicted decent wins for forrest and Birmingham however qpr couldnt make their pressure count and only drew 1-1. So close.
Went out this evening, but it wasnt a late one. Got back in time to late reg for the 11pm. Managed to get to the final table.
Then this happened as I was sat in second. I was tempted to dry shove and pick up like 10k (although aces would have called)... but i did the old trick - going broke in a limped pot. Doesnt stop it being uber sick.
Krivered
Small blind
1250.00
1250.00
67685.00
gazza127
Big blind
2500.00
3750.00
61860.00
Your hole cards
5
K
doolie
Call
2500.00
6250.00
32415.00
louca01
Call
2500.00
8750.00
36215.00
EDNI7
Fold
lilzane
Fold
4Krivered
Call
1250.00
10000.00
66435.00
gazza127
Check
Flop
3
5
K
4Krivered
Bet
2500.00
12500.00
63935.00
gazza127
Raise
10000.00
22500.00
51860.00
doolie
Fold
louca01
All-in
36215.00
58715.00
0.00
4Krivered
All-in
63935.00
122650.00
0.00
gazza127
All-in
51860.00
174510.00
0.00
4Krivered
Unmatched bet
4575.00
169935.00
4575.00
4Krivered
Show
3
K
gazza127
Show
5
K
louca01
Show
A
A
Turn
3
River
6
4Krivered
Win
Full House, 3s and Kings
169935.00
174510.00
Bit annoyed with that. Difference between £40 and £160 odd... but hey ho. Dont think I did much wrong... went in as ridiculous favourite... oh well.
Played some cash on a forum game. Managed to walk away with £34 from 4nl which is some achievement. Ran very well (sorry Larson), but that was quite fun. Got a good rail from Geldy in the 11pm so thanks for that.
On a sidenote... milestone reached - £1000 profit since beginning of diary. Pleased with that considering my embarrassing start. Bring on UKOPS.
Went out this evening, but it wasnt a late one. Got back in time to late reg for the 11pm. Managed to get to the final table. Then this happened as I was sat in second. I was tempted to dry shove and pick up like 10k (although aces would have called)... but i did the old trick - going broke in a limped pot. Doesnt stop it being uber sick. Krivered Small blind 1250.00 1250.00 67685.00 gazza127 Big blind 2500.00 3750.00 61860.00 Your hole cards 5 K doolie Call 2500.00 6250.00 32415.00 louca01 Call 2500.00 8750.00 36215.00 EDNI7 Fold lilzane Fold 4Krivered Call 1250.00 10000.00 66435.00 gazza127 Check Flop 3 5 K 4Krivered Bet 2500.00 12500.00 63935.00 gazza127 Raise 10000.00 22500.00 51860.00 doolie Fold louca01 All-in 36215.00 58715.00 0.00 4Krivered All-in 63935.00 122650.00 0.00 gazza127 All-in 51860.00 174510.00 0.00 4Krivered Unmatched bet 4575.00 169935.00 4575.00 4Krivered Show 3 K gazza127 Show 5 K louca01 Show A A Turn 3 River 6 4Krivered Win Full House, 3s and Kings 169935.00 174510.00 Bit annoyed with that. Difference between £40 and £160 odd... but hey ho. Dont think I did much wrong... went in as ridiculous favourite... oh well. Played some cash on a forum game. Managed to walk away with £34 from 4nl which is some achievement. Ran very well (sorry Larson), but that was quite fun. Got a good rail from Geldy in the 11pm so thanks for that. On a sidenote... milestone reached - £1000 profit since beginning of diary. Pleased with that considering my embarrassing start. Bring on UKOPS. Posted by gazza127
Ignore this. Lost quite a bit on cash.
I was £200 up at one point... then I wasnt.
Dont really want to talk about it at the minute. Need to start rebuilding what I lost. Im such a knob.
If someone could explain this play from villain that'd be great. I hadn't stepped out of line once in two hours. I had solely played PP, AK and decent suited connectors all night (hes seen me get to showdown on a number of occassions with prem hands. The one hand I kind of step out of line this happens.
TommyD
Small blind
£0.50
£0.50
£152.74
XXX
Big blind
£1.00
£1.50
£104.38
Your hole cards
10
A
quaypoke30
Fold
stacker59
Fold
gazza127
Raise
£3.00
£4.50
£135.09
TommyD
Fold
XXX
Raise
£10.00
£14.50
£94.38
gazza127
Raise
£32.00
£46.50
£103.09
XXX
Call
£24.00
£70.50
£70.38
Flop
4
7
J
XXX
Check
gazza127
Bet
£35.25
£105.75
£67.84
XXX
All-in
£70.38
£176.13
£0.00
gazza127
Call
£35.13
£211.26
£32.71
XXX
Show
5
5
gazza127
Show
10
A
Turn
2
River
3
XXX
Win
Pair of 5s
£209.46
£209.46
1) I can kind of understand the 3 bet (ish) even though its a very small pair and really he doesnt want to be inflating the pot. 2) Why the **** does he call the 4 bet from that stack with such a weak hand? 3) Why does he jam that flop with such a rubbish hand knowing I am pot committed and have to call with pretty much any two random cards - does he just like a gamble?? 4) Why does mr bigshot leave the table straight after the hand? - this irritates me most. He's a sky reg and he's cut and run like a complete tool. I debated leaving his name in put i suppose I'd get more grief than him.
Ive taken such an aggressive line how can he think hes ahead? As I said - Ive been playing a very tight game and had only 4 bet once pre with Queens. Im so confused why he shoved?? Please tell me I did nothing wrong against a guy who loved to 3 bet any hand....
he has done the same to me too - although actually that time i was playing very loose and he had a FH - so maybe a little different!
best suggestion I can come up with is he was leaving anyway and decided to to take a swing at it on the last hand. anyways, there is your starter for ten - see if anyone can come up with something better.
one occurrence of the name is still in he has done the same to me too - although actually that time i was playing very loose and he had a FH - so maybe a little different! best suggestion I can come up with is he was leaving anyway and decided to to take a swing at it on the last hand. anyways, there is your starter for ten - see if anyone can come up with something better. Posted by GELDY
Oops. That was accidental. Should I just be shoving the flop or is the result still the same?
Anyway, im going to play tonights main and mini (my favourite main of the week). Depending on how that goes I might play tomorrows main (second favourite main of the week) - after which I will be taking a short break from poker (a week to a month) because at this rate, playing cash, im going to go broke pretty fast. As a MTT player I just cant stand up when im in profit at the table. Over the last 3 days I have sat on cash tables and have been £250 up, £130 up and £95 up... and on each occassion I find myself loosening up, playing more aggressively (MTT habit) and walking into the nuts time and time again.
I dont really do BR management. I dont step down stakes straight away. In that respect im an awful poker player and will hold my hands up to that. Best thing for me to do (after tonight) is to step back, recover and start afresh... if that takes 5 days or 5 weeks its not an issue. I don't want to be spewing money all over the place.
The irritating thing is that I really do feel I can make some real money on cash. It seems like everytime I play I always go +0.5 to +1 buy ins initially. Then I alter my game and lose it. Just need to cut out these errors... but I know im making these errrors which i think is the important thing.
Don't worry im not broke or anything - just think its heading that way. My head isn't in the right place and everything is telling me to take a break. After tonight of course...
But why worry about playing cash? If you want to become a cash player then sure, but move down the stakes and grind away until you are comfortable you have learnt the new skills, which includes BRM. If not then just play it more occasionally, and be more relaxed about whether you are winning or losing in the session.
I much prefer mtts to cash. I could never be a cash-table grinder. However I know I have to play some cash to develop my skills needed to play better mtts. It can also be fun to play occasionally, especially against forum regs or as a TommyD style TV w.h.o.r.e (his words, not mine).
So I played NL200 Mastercash on the show last night. I was prepared to lose a buy-in for my learning/fun experience. But I was definitely not going to treat it as scared money. Let´s play some hands appropriately and see where it leads. As it was last night I made money, but I can guarantee at that level if I played it regularly at Sky I would probably be a big donor.
So re-evaluate why you are playing cash, and then when you play know why you are playing and what that means for buy-in etc etc.
waller02 is rediscovering his mtt-mojo after having his poker brains knocked out at cash. try not to relive the whole of his experience!
Always good to take a break. But why worry about playing cash? If you want to become a cash player then sure, but move down the stakes and grind away until you are comfortable you have learnt the new skills, which includes BRM. If not then just play it more occasionally, and be more relaxed about whether you are winning or losing in the session. I much prefer mtts to cash. I could never be a cash-table grinder. However I know I have to play some cash to develop my skills needed to play better mtts. It can also be fun to play occasionally, especially against forum regs or as a TommyD style TV w.h.o.r.e (his words, not mine). So I played NL200 Mastercash on the show last night. I was prepared to lose a buy-in for my learning/fun experience. But I was definitely not going to treat it as scared money. Let´s play some hands appropriately and see where it leads. As it was last night I made money, but I can guarantee at that level if I played it regularly at Sky I would probably be a big donor. So re-evaluate why you are playing cash, and then when you play know why you are playing and what that means for buy-in etc etc. waller02 is rediscovering his mtt-mojo after having his poker brains knocked out at cash. try not to relive the whole of his experience! Posted by GELDY
Wise words Geldy and definitely something to consider.
Turns out I shall not be winning the jackpot tonight... as im out. So just tomorrows main and mini - then break regardless of what happens (even if I do win it).
1) I can kind of understand the 3 bet (ish) even though its a very small pair and really he doesnt want to be inflating the pot. 2) Why the **** does he call the 4 bet from that stack with such a weak hand? 3) Why does he jam that flop with such a rubbish hand knowing I am pot committed and have to call with pretty much any two random cards - does he just like a gamble?? 4) Why does mr bigshot leave the table straight after the hand? - this irritates me most. He's a sky reg and he's cut and run like a complete tool. I debated leaving his name in put i suppose I'd get more grief than him. Ive taken such an aggressive line how can he think hes ahead? As I said - Ive been playing a very tight game and had only 4 bet once pre with Queens. Im so confused why he shoved?? Please tell me I did nothing wrong against a guy who loved to 3 bet any hand.... Posted by gazza127
As you can see I was on this table so I have the benefit of knowing who the villain is. My answers
1) This is something to note and remember for your dynamic with this player 2) This is something to note and remember for your dynamic with this player 3) This is something to note and remember for your dynamic with this player 4) Everyone has a right to sit and stand when they wish, you cannot control this. 5) Oh there was no 5. Just remember the big picture, player's are not robots and sometimes will be aggressive when other times they will be shrewd. Your job, and it's all on you not the oppo, is to decipher what time the player is at, what is their current mental state and what level they are playing on. Also this is something to note and remember for your dynamic with this player
You're saying he loved to 3bet any hand but you do not know if he is 3bet folding or 3/bet calling or 3/bet GII, that's the real question and your plan for each occurrence.
In Response to Re: The ramblings of a young man (gazza127 diary) : As you can see I was on this table so I have the benefit of knowing who the villain is. My answers 1) This is something to note and remember for your dynamic with this player 2) This is something to note and remember for your dynamic with this player 3) This is something to note and remember for your dynamic with this player 4) Everyone has a right to sit and stand when they wish, you cannot control this. 5) Oh there was no 5. Just remember the big picture, player's are not robots and sometimes will be aggressive when other times they will be shrewd. Your job, and it's all on you not the oppo, is to decipher what time the player is at, what is their current mental state and what level they are playing on. Also this is something to note and remember for your dynamic with this player You're saying he loved to 3bet any hand but you do not know if he is 3bet folding or 3/bet calling or 3/bet GII, that's the real question and your plan for each occurrence. Posted by TommyD
I guess its something to note and remember for my dynamic with this player.
I put him on air on the flop to be perfectly honest. hands like KQs, AQs,AKs,A10s and weak pocket pairs that got overly aggressive. I must admit the 3 bet flat left me completely confused as to where I was in the hand. He was either holding AA-1010 or had missed entirely. I chose the latter due to his 3 bet nature and was just so surprised when he commited 70 extra quid with a pair of 5s after a 4 bet after missing his set on the flop. He must have had me on complete air... which to me makes no sense as I was playing very tight throughout the session. Maybe he folds if i shove the flop. Dont know if he thinks my 1/2 bet was a sign of weakness... but he must of known that I couldnt really fold after putting all that money in.
Thought the whole hand was very strange and left me a bit mift, especially as he got up and left straight away - that did irritate me even though I know he has every right to leave. Just seemed a bit of a cheap shot.
Sorry to see you have lost a bit on the cash tables mate. Agree with geldy, jumping in at the deep end on the cash tables can be dangerous (however I'm not sure how much cash experience you have). I'm sure you will rebuild any losses playing mtt's though. All the best
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Started well this afternoon... was about £100 up... then lost it... Went out and saw some mates and decided il come back and start afresh. Things went from bad to worse. There was a guy on my table who was super aggro and kept hitting everything and kept stacking me on 20nl with rubbish. I was getting a bit tilted but knew if i continued to play id eventually get it back.
So i waited for a big hand... and this happened:
Played a bit longer and hit a few nice spots towards the end of the session... and ended up decent enough profit - especially as i was about £100 down at one point.
Hi omm,
Nice to know ypu liked the betting guide. Hopefully this helps.
1) No, not all bookies offer it. Sky are one of the ones that tend to avoid the asian handicap markets. You should be looking at another bookie that works 365 days of the year (:P)
2) Yes I believe they are available on different sports. Tennis springs to mind, NFL, Basketball, Rugby amongst others. Its all about predicting how much a team will win by which can be applied across most sports.
3) Yes, without a shadow of a doubt. There tends to be so much value in the Asian Handicap market. For instance if you think Chelsea are going to win... Rather than placing an outright bet on Chelsea, you can choose them at AH-1. This way if they win by only one goal you get your stake back... if they win by more then you get significantly better odds. I do however feel there is so much more value in the +AH market. For instance last night I had a bet on M'Gladbach AH+3 against Bayern at 1.65 which came in as Bayern only won 3-1.
Dont hesitate to get in touch if you have an other questions
Then this happened as I was sat in second. I was tempted to dry shove and pick up like 10k (although aces would have called)... but i did the old trick - going broke in a limped pot. Doesnt stop it being uber sick.
Played some cash on a forum game. Managed to walk away with £34 from 4nl which is some achievement. Ran very well (sorry Larson), but that was quite fun. Got a good rail from Geldy in the 11pm so thanks for that.
On a sidenote... milestone reached - £1000 profit since beginning of diary. Pleased with that considering my embarrassing start. Bring on UKOPS.
Ignore this. Lost quite a bit on cash.
I was £200 up at one point... then I wasnt.
Dont really want to talk about it at the minute. Need to start rebuilding what I lost. Im such a knob.
Brutal sometimes.
Good luck with the rebuilding you'll soon turn it around.
1) I can kind of understand the 3 bet (ish) even though its a very small pair and really he doesnt want to be inflating the pot.
2) Why the **** does he call the 4 bet from that stack with such a weak hand?
3) Why does he jam that flop with such a rubbish hand knowing I am pot committed and have to call with pretty much any two random cards - does he just like a gamble??
4) Why does mr bigshot leave the table straight after the hand? - this irritates me most. He's a sky reg and he's cut and run like a complete tool. I debated leaving his name in put i suppose I'd get more grief than him.
Ive taken such an aggressive line how can he think hes ahead? As I said - Ive been playing a very tight game and had only 4 bet once pre with Queens. Im so confused why he shoved?? Please tell me I did nothing wrong against a guy who loved to 3 bet any hand....
But why worry about playing cash? If you want to become a cash player then sure, but move down the stakes and grind away until you are comfortable you have learnt the new skills, which includes BRM. If not then just play it more occasionally, and be more relaxed about whether you are winning or losing in the session.
I much prefer mtts to cash. I could never be a cash-table grinder. However I know I have to play some cash to develop my skills needed to play better mtts. It can also be fun to play occasionally, especially against forum regs or as a TommyD style TV w.h.o.r.e (his words, not mine).
So I played NL200 Mastercash on the show last night. I was prepared to lose a buy-in for my learning/fun experience. But I was definitely not going to treat it as scared money. Let´s play some hands appropriately and see where it leads. As it was last night I made money, but I can guarantee at that level if I played it regularly at Sky I would probably be a big donor.
So re-evaluate why you are playing cash, and then when you play know why you are playing and what that means for buy-in etc etc.
waller02 is rediscovering his mtt-mojo after having his poker brains knocked out at cash. try not to relive the whole of his experience!
1) This is something to note and remember for your dynamic with this player
2) This is something to note and remember for your dynamic with this player
3) This is something to note and remember for your dynamic with this player
4) Everyone has a right to sit and stand when they wish, you cannot control this.
5) Oh there was no 5. Just remember the big picture, player's are not robots and sometimes will be aggressive when other times they will be shrewd. Your job, and it's all on you not the oppo, is to decipher what time the player is at, what is their current mental state and what level they are playing on. Also this is something to note and remember for your dynamic with this player
You're saying he loved to 3bet any hand but you do not know if he is 3bet folding or 3/bet calling or 3/bet GII, that's the real question and your plan for each occurrence.
Enjoy the break.
There was some good advice on the show last night when i asked about buy ins for cash.
They basically said, if you want to take a shot take it.
It depends what the money means to you. A lot of folk on here will stick to rigid banroll management.
Just do what is right for you.
All the best