I can assure you that point was not inadvertant but deliberately placed to draw that argument from someone.
That is the one answer which displays the flaw in the thinking of this "DYM strategy". It's a short term attitude in a game which must be played in the long term. In any one DYM having that extra 100 chips is going to be a negligible advantage... but DYM's famously come with low ROI of between 5% and 10% or so, if you're really good. So across thousands of games, even if those 100 chips mean an increase of just 0.5% on your ROI, you're gaining a big proportional increase to your profits.
If I offered you a starting stack of 2100 and your five opponents started with 1980, you'd think that was an advantage. It clearly is an advantage. Obviously the extra 100 chips is just an arbitrary number but the point stands that by playing to a restrictive set of rules for playing DYM's, you're passing up opportunities to increase your profit. Passing up +EV spots.
Playing these hands is only a risk if you think you're going to make a loss from the play in the long-term, i.e. that raising the button with KQs after a limp, then c-betting lots of flops is a -EV prospect. You and I, Lambert, know that it's not -EV to do that*. "Taking a risk" is not an issue. It's just plain and simple good play.
The only argument to fold these spots, just to try to fold to the bubble, is that we don't think we can outplay our opponents in the long-term: So if we think, even on the button, even against an open-limp, we're going to be outplayed in the long run. If we've been playing the game for more than a few months, that surely won't be the case.
Adapting to the situation and taking advantage of opportunities is always better than adhering religiously to strict rules.
*Unless we have particular reads that one of the blinds shoves every hand and forces us to make ICM folds, or something like that. In a vacuum, I think you must agree with my point.
Larry, don't waste time analysing situations where its pretty obvious you played pretty optimal poker. I really think you have been results orientated here and only posted it because you ended up losing.
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That is the one answer which displays the flaw in the thinking of this "DYM strategy". It's a short term attitude in a game which must be played in the long term. In any one DYM having that extra 100 chips is going to be a negligible advantage... but DYM's famously come with low ROI of between 5% and 10% or so, if you're really good. So across thousands of games, even if those 100 chips mean an increase of just 0.5% on your ROI, you're gaining a big proportional increase to your profits.
If I offered you a starting stack of 2100 and your five opponents started with 1980, you'd think that was an advantage. It clearly is an advantage. Obviously the extra 100 chips is just an arbitrary number but the point stands that by playing to a restrictive set of rules for playing DYM's, you're passing up opportunities to increase your profit. Passing up +EV spots.
Playing these hands is only a risk if you think you're going to make a loss from the play in the long-term, i.e. that raising the button with KQs after a limp, then c-betting lots of flops is a -EV prospect. You and I, Lambert, know that it's not -EV to do that*. "Taking a risk" is not an issue. It's just plain and simple good play.
The only argument to fold these spots, just to try to fold to the bubble, is that we don't think we can outplay our opponents in the long-term: So if we think, even on the button, even against an open-limp, we're going to be outplayed in the long run. If we've been playing the game for more than a few months, that surely won't be the case.
Adapting to the situation and taking advantage of opportunities is always better than adhering religiously to strict rules.
*Unless we have particular reads that one of the blinds shoves every hand and forces us to make ICM folds, or something like that. In a vacuum, I think you must agree with my point.
if your not raising pre than your not playing poker
lolz @ fold pre
flop is an obvious call