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What do I do on turn?
mattless
Member Posts: 194
opponent is solid reg, his 3 betting range pre is narrow. having played my top pair/nfd aggressively on flop, what do I do on turn? Check or jam? Should I raise all in on flop to avoid this decision?
| robbie1992 | Small blind | £0.10 | £0.10 | £20.67 | |
| x | Big blind | £0.20 | £0.30 | £19.80 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| Webb92 | Fold | ||||
| mattless | Raise | £0.60 | £0.90 | £28.62 | |
| robbie1992 | Fold | ||||
| x | Raise | £2.00 | £2.90 | £17.80 | |
| mattless | Call | £1.60 | £4.50 | £27.02 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| x | Bet | £2.60 | £7.10 | £15.20 | |
| mattless | Raise | £7.45 | £14.55 | £19.57 | |
| x | Call | £4.85 | £19.40 | £10.35 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| x | Check | ||||
| mattless | Bet | £14.55 | £33.95 | £5.02 | |
| x | All-in | £10.35 | £44.30 | £0.00 | |
| mattless | Unmatched bet | £4.20 | £40.10 | £9.22 | |
| x | Show |
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| mattless | Show |
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| River | |||||
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| x | Win | Two Pairs, Kings and 7s | £38.30 | £38.30 | |
Comments
Might raise slightly smaller on the flop but meh I'm not folding at any point.
What do we mean by "his 3-betting range pre is narrow"? I'm not suggesting it should necessarily be a fold pre-flop but I am saying we need to keep that range in mind post-flop.
When we raise the flop, what do we want to happen? If his range for 3-betting pre-flop is really narrow - AA, KK, QQ and AK - what's the value in raising here? We're not getting him to fold the hands that are beating us and we don't want him to fold the AK's that we're beating. We do have the nut flush draw but we also have top-pair so we don't need to be semi-bluffing. If we get more money in on this flop against a nitty player, we're probably only doing so against a better hand. There's no reason to charge any draws since we have the As.
Obviously if he had a wide 3-betting range, which you've indicated he does not, then we don't want to push him off the weaker hands he's betting.
I think, given your reads on this opponent's 3-betting range, you've given yourself a problem by raising the flop. On the turn you should only shove if you think he can call you with worse hands, otherwise take a free card and hope to see a cheap showdown if you don't improve.
Think about his pre-flop 3-betting range and the flop play. The turn isn't the issue here, really.
Still, if we make it to the turn and he bets big it's more likely to be a fold than a call. Even if we widen his pre-flop range to include hands like JJ, TT, AQ, AJ or lower pairs and suited connectors, his range should be narrowed by the post-flop betting to only the top of his range... unless we have reads to the contrary, that they barrell light.
Assign a range - that's basically what I'm trying to say.
what is better for your perceived range...
Thinking too much about what oppo has, yeah you should have an idea on 3 bet range for you to call but once you decide to flat...think about your perceived range and what is the best thing to do on the flop/turn/river
we win money when:
1. oppo folds
2. when we have the best hand at showdown
yeah oppo has KK, what else do they have - put the range together and decide what you should do against this range bearing in mind your perceived range
....if you flat flop..do they put in more money on the turn with a worse hand and how often
....who has the improvers ?
Why do you raise flop ? Will oppo come along with a worse range ?
If the answer is no, then what should you do ?
Problem is flop, more so than the turn - turn is just sigh but probably the worst thing to do versus oppo range
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