The standard was mixed, exactly as it is any poker format.
PLO & PLO8 are VERY different games to Texas Hold Em, but by definition, almost everyone who progresses to PLO or PLO8 learned NLH first. And that produces some VERY interesting dynamics.
Firstly, NL & PL are chalk & cheese, completely different skills.
Next, PLO/PLO8 & NLH could not be more different in so many ways.
Now, here's the thing......
When NLHE players migrate to Omaha, they often bring NLH skills with them. In NLH, hands like A-K & A-Q, or even A-A & K-K, are absolute monsters, & we are happy to get the lot in. In Omaha, not so much - one pair very rarely gets us home, especially if we are multi-way, which in O, we often are.
So here's really clever bit. NLH players, when playing Omaha, very much over-represent the value of their hands. "Ooh, I have A-A, I should pot pot pot". Or they flop top pair (enormous in NLH) but it is poo in O. And the experienced O players are sat there thinking, well this chap has gone pot pot pot, he must have a set, or the straight, or whatever. So we chuck our 2 pair or low set in the bin! We can even bin "under houses" regularly.
And THAT is the whole beauty of it, & why anyone can play & enjoy Omaha variants, & cause even the most experienced players a proper headache.
Limping? I limp a LOT in PLO & PLO8. Try Potting a decent hand in early position (remember, this is POT LIMIT) & see where that gets you. We have bad aces & 4 players behind us have called. Good luck with winning that coup. You are about a 10/1 shot now. Takes a bit of mettle to pot any flop unless you set up......
We might have a very good low hand, with no high hand. We ONLY want to play this three way or more - we have NO INTEREST in playing this Heads Up. Why would we, we are only gunning to get half our money back? So we need this coup multi-way, & anyway, the flop might come all paint, & our hand is now worthless. So yeah, limping in PLO8 is OK. But remember LIMPING with marginals is one thingf, CALLING A RAISE with marginals quite another thing altogether. Limp, yes, station, not so much. Actually, not at all.
Hope you enjoyed it last night - most folks did, I gather.
Thanks for the detailed reply TK. Its all starting to make sense now , sort of ;-) It certainly makes you think more about your starting hands , position and reading the board. Looking forward to my next game , BR & time permitting and yes i did enjoy it last night.
One thing i did notice was that there was no moaning about bad beats!! :-)
I really enjoyed playing last night, I normally play 2.20 deep stack, offordable and mega stack on a Friday.
I would like to play and learn Omaha and PLO8 could i suggest a couple of tournaments with 1.10 buy ins on selected evenings would attract a lot more players to try the games at minimal cost.
I personally am not going to play 3.30 or 5.50 buy in but 1.10 2.20 would allow me to learn without breaking the bank.
Also starting an Omaha competition with small prize might help.
I used to love Take on TK and if he has the time a once a week tournament in each discipline would I'm sure be well supported.
Selected Omaha nights may help as the playing group could get spread too thin if people play on different nights.
Just my thoughts what do other potential players think.
I really enjoyed playing last night, I normally play 2.20 deep stack, offordable and mega stack on a Friday. I would like to play and learn Omaha and PLO8 could i suggest a couple of tournaments with 1.10 buy ins on selected evenings would attract a lot more players to try the games at minimal cost. I personally am not going to play 3.30 or 5.50 buy in but 1.10 2.20 would allow me to learn without breaking the bank. Also starting an Omaha competition with small prize might help. I used to love Take on TK and if he has the time a once a week tournament in each discipline would I'm sure be well supported. Selected Omaha nights may help as the playing group could get spread too thin if people play on different nights. Just my thoughts what do other potential players think. Daggers. Posted by daggers747
Hi Daggers, check out the thread PLO8 League. You will be more than welcome.
I'm trying to rev up PLO8 & PLO interest, & I try to organise & play in one or two nights every week where we have low cost PLO8 Tourneys, to help folks learn the game without spending too much.
As luck would have it, my ship came in this morning, and.......
There are now £1.10 PLO8 MTT's EVERY NIGHT OF THE WEEK.
I will do a seperate thread, as the scheduled PLO8 AND PLO MTT's have all had a bit of a jolly old shake-up.
As a general rule, Mick, PLO8 players are a different breed, & hardly ever do the "bad beat" nonsense.
Sooooo true tikay its really weird, been known to tilt in Holdem, can take bad beats but when its a really bad player getting super lucky at the worst time it can hurt, BUT ive not come anywhere close to feeling like this in PLO8, I have a strange sense of calm at all times even when racing, the sheer confusion that is a 3 or 4 way all in board run out doesn't allow for you to rue the end result I just tend to smile and think gg onto the next. Bubbles are still a bit rough as they should be but id never criticize another players style of play in PLO8.
was another fun and popular evening, I wasn't feeling it and donked out of first two but made up for that winning last one, ran pretty well as always, but im surprised and pleased when I outlast tikay (even when I do it almost every time lol).
I had a great time of it ran, pretty well and somehow managed a 1s and a 2nd in the 2 i played so will definatly be playing again sometime soon. Had 1 hand where i thought i was way behind for my tournament life and the board ran out trips and i won with ace high somehow lol
Will definatly be looking to play any low stakes mtt hi lo i can find when i have a free evening
Great evening, well done everybody. In the three Tourneys which were added for last night, we got, respectively, 30, 23, & 34 runners, so that was pretty good. Everyone seemed to enjoy it, & we'll do it again. Big thanks to Squawky for the Updates all evening, he gets Free Entries to the same Tourneys next time we do them by way of thanks. My efforts? Had better nights! Did nowt wrong in the first 2, in fact in the first, I never played a single hand in the first 4 levels, I was just not getting playable stuff, whilst two players on my Table played every single hand! Think part of the attraction of PLO8 to many is that we DO get a lot of action if we choose to play that way. I got a good stack going in the third, then rather unwisely got myself involved in a very big 4 way coup, flopped the nuts, but failed to hold. With hindsight, not sure I should have got involved. Great evening, & thank you to everyone who took part, & played the game in the right spirit. Posted by Tikay10
If the updates got more people interested in PLO8 thats good enough for me,
Ref the offer above its very kind of you but could they possible go to the other thread as a start off for the winner of the league they are trying to get of the ground.
Comments
Only played in 2 of the MTT's , donked out early in one and came 3rd in another.
Definetly will play more when i can.
Question for the more experienced PLO8 players:
What do you think of the standard of play given that their are some newbies like me?
I did notice that some players were raising , like in holdem , when entering a pot and some chose to limp.
See you at the tables soon.
Cheers
Mick
Hi Vespa.
The standard was mixed, exactly as it is any poker format.
PLO & PLO8 are VERY different games to Texas Hold Em, but by definition, almost everyone who progresses to PLO or PLO8 learned NLH first. And that produces some VERY interesting dynamics.
Firstly, NL & PL are chalk & cheese, completely different skills.
Next, PLO/PLO8 & NLH could not be more different in so many ways.
Now, here's the thing......
When NLHE players migrate to Omaha, they often bring NLH skills with them. In NLH, hands like A-K & A-Q, or even A-A & K-K, are absolute monsters, & we are happy to get the lot in. In Omaha, not so much - one pair very rarely gets us home, especially if we are multi-way, which in O, we often are.
So here's really clever bit. NLH players, when playing Omaha, very much over-represent the value of their hands. "Ooh, I have A-A, I should pot pot pot". Or they flop top pair (enormous in NLH) but it is poo in O. And the experienced O players are sat there thinking, well this chap has gone pot pot pot, he must have a set, or the straight, or whatever. So we chuck our 2 pair or low set in the bin! We can even bin "under houses" regularly.
And THAT is the whole beauty of it, & why anyone can play & enjoy Omaha variants, & cause even the most experienced players a proper headache.
Limping? I limp a LOT in PLO & PLO8. Try Potting a decent hand in early position (remember, this is POT LIMIT) & see where that gets you. We have bad aces & 4 players behind us have called. Good luck with winning that coup. You are about a 10/1 shot now. Takes a bit of mettle to pot any flop unless you set up......
We might have a very good low hand, with no high hand. We ONLY want to play this three way or more - we have NO INTEREST in playing this Heads Up. Why would we, we are only gunning to get half our money back? So we need this coup multi-way, & anyway, the flop might come all paint, & our hand is now worthless. So yeah, limping in PLO8 is OK. But remember LIMPING with marginals is one thingf, CALLING A RAISE with marginals quite another thing altogether. Limp, yes, station, not so much. Actually, not at all.
Hope you enjoyed it last night - most folks did, I gather.
Its all starting to make sense now , sort of ;-)
It certainly makes you think more about your starting hands , position and reading the board.
Looking forward to my next game , BR & time permitting and yes i did enjoy it last night.
One thing i did notice was that there was no moaning about bad beats!! :-)
GL at the tables
Mick
*edit*
Thanks to Hawk for the commentary!
As a general rule, Mick, PLO8 players are a different breed, & hardly ever do the "bad beat" nonsense.
The tables break more slowly, so we spend more time together, & you can't rush that game, you just sit there in cruise control mode & get chatting.
There were the usual horrendous beats last night, typical of O or PLO8, & I never saw a single whine or whinge.
I was in a hand with one chap, & I'd got him heads up via potting it, I had decent aces, double suited.
The flop came 5-5-2, & we somehow got the lot in. He had, obviously, 2-2 in his hand. Oops.
I half-hoped I might bink an Ace on the turn or river, but no such luck. Instead, another 5 rivered, giving me a better house......
I really enjoyed playing last night, I normally play 2.20 deep stack, offordable and mega stack on a Friday.
I would like to play and learn Omaha and PLO8 could i suggest a couple of
tournaments with 1.10 buy ins on selected evenings would attract a lot more players to try the games at minimal cost.
I personally am not going to play 3.30 or 5.50 buy in but 1.10 2.20 would allow me to learn without breaking the bank.
Also starting an Omaha competition with small prize might help.
I used to love Take on TK and if he has the time a once a week tournament in each discipline would I'm sure be well supported.
Selected Omaha nights may help as the playing group could get spread too thin if people play on different nights.
Just my thoughts what do other potential players think.
Daggers.
Hi Daggers,
I'm trying to rev up PLO8 & PLO interest, & I try to organise & play in one or two nights every week where we have low cost PLO8 Tourneys, to help folks learn the game without spending too much.
As luck would have it, my ship came in this morning, and.......
There are now £1.10 PLO8 MTT's EVERY NIGHT OF THE WEEK.
I will do a seperate thread, as the scheduled PLO8 AND PLO MTT's have all had a bit of a jolly old shake-up.
was another fun and popular evening, I wasn't feeling it and donked out of first two but made up for that winning last one, ran pretty well as always, but im surprised and pleased when I outlast tikay (even when I do it almost every time lol).
Will definatly be looking to play any low stakes mtt hi lo i can find when i have a free evening