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Called down too light?
robbie1992
Member Posts: 725
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| taximania1 | Small blind | £0.10 | £0.10 | £25.41 | |
| HachiKuro | Big blind | £0.20 | £0.30 | £22.50 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| albania | Fold | ||||
| robbie1992 | Raise | £0.60 | £0.90 | £22.89 | |
| sighcall | Raise | £1.80 | £2.70 | £17.90 | |
| surf22 | Fold | ||||
| taximania1 | Fold | ||||
| HachiKuro | Fold | ||||
| robbie1992 | Call | £1.20 | £3.90 | £21.69 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| robbie1992 | Check | ||||
| sighcall | Bet | £2.93 | £6.83 | £14.97 | |
| robbie1992 | Call | £2.93 | £9.76 | £18.76 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| robbie1992 | Check | ||||
| sighcall | All-in | £14.97 | £24.73 | £0.00 | |
| robbie1992 | Call | £14.97 | £39.70 | £3.79 | |
| robbie1992 | Show |
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| sighcall | Show |
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| River | |||||
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| sighcall | Win | Two Pairs, 6s and 4s | £37.90 | £37.90 | |
on the flop i thought i was ahead , and on the turn iv still got any diamond K or Q as an out, or is this just to spewy?
I was doing so well in my session, id upped my tables too 3 and had played well in a long session, then i lost this and £10 more when i had ace high against this player, and the river come an ace and he was slowplaying top set.....
im sick of losing all the time, im not having a rant im just so frustrated with the game atm, i was well and come away losin i play bad and come away losing, so fed up
Comments
He's 3bet, c-bet, then overbet shoved the turn on a really wet board and you don't even have TP. Granted you have the 3rd nut flush draw but with only 1 card to come, that's not huge equity especially when all outs might not be clean.
You don't know you have any K, Q or diamond as an out, which is the problem. If you did that's 13 outs which I think warrants a call on the turn, but I don't think you will have all them outs.
You cannot call that turn card... like ever. It's clear you have to hit and you are not getting good odds. Youre head should be screaming "fooooollllddd" at this point.
But he had just bluffed off a stack and was 3 betting me everytime i raised, which wasnt even that often...would a 4 bet pre be bad? usually i wouldnt call a 3 bet with kq but against him i was prepared to stack off if i hit, the thing is i was correct until the turn, on the flop i win this hand 4/5, then even on the turn i win it 1/3. Maybe i got too carried away, what range should i be prepared to stack off with against this opponent then??
Say i 4 bet and the board come like this i cbet and he shoves or raises, i then fold ? its just abit akward
I don't know much about sighcall's game and you've not provided any reads on how he plays against you, his 3-bet range or on the range of hands you gave him for his flop and turn play. You thought you were ahead? Great... Why? What range of hands did you think he'd play this way?
I probably wouldn't be calling 3-bets out of position with hands like this, if I were you. You need to have a clear reason why you're calling and how you're planning to exploit your opponent through the streets. KQo out of position against a 3-bet isn't a brilliant hand. We're not super-deep either so I'd just fold pre-flop. If we think our opponent is messing about with light 3-bets, then a 4-bet might be better than a call. In position I don't mind the call. Out of position it's going to get pretty tough when we don't hit big and we can't necessarily build a big pot if we just hit one pair.
Having got involved pre-flop, I suppose it's tough to fold to one bet on the flop. It's likely that we're either way ahead or way behind, though. It would be nice to know that the villain gives up alot after this sort of flop action if he doesn't have it. If not, knowing we can't stand a second barrell, we should fold here.
The turn is bad. The fact it's an overbet is a bit weird but we need to have the best hand an awful lot of the time for this call to be good because whenever we don't have the best hand, we're quite a long way behind. The 13 outs you're thinking about only give you equity about 28% (off the top of my head), if they're all clean outs, and your pot odds are about 38%... so you need your King to be good alot of the time.
How often is your opponent shoving this turn with weaker than second pair, Queen kicker? Not often, I would imagine.
Sighcall's play on the turn is weird because normally you wouldn't expect the shove to be called by many worse hands but his pre-flop and flop play are pretty good. Learn from this hand history that some of your opponents are 3-betting you light, most likely believing that you'll play fit-or-fold post-flop. This wasn't ridiculous play from sighcall at all... apart from the turn, lol.
So he's been 3-betting you alot and bluffing light down the streets? He's been a bit of a maniac? That makes calling pre-flop a little less bad but our position makes things pretty tough post-flop. We need to be willing to check-call down with just top-pair and it's going to be fairly high variance. There's a big difference between top pair and second pair, though, and we have to accept that this type of player will sometimes make us fold the best hand. No need to worry about that if he's just going to fire off his stack when we have a decent hand.
Our implied odds for calling pre-flop are only good if we're sure he frequently bluffs off his stack on King or Queen high boards. I don't know if that's true of this villain or not. Obviously being out of position reduces our implied odds dramatically anyway.
In an earlier post, you said you couldn't keep folding hands like this to his 3-bets because it's "exploitable". What makes calling better?
The reason I'm not a fan of the shove on the turn is that you really shouldn't be called by many worse hands after the diamonds have come in. It's unlikely that Robbie is holding the AxKd or another big diamond with top-pair... and every other made hand you beat is likely to be folding. We do, after all, have just bottom two-pair and it's unlikely that Robbie has many big Aces after flatting the 3-bet pre-flop. Obviously you got the call this time but I'm not sure it's a profitable play in the long term.
Be pretty easy to read if every time you 4bet AA you c-bet, and everytime you 4bet 8Ts you c/f.
Not saying we always have to 4bet light with Ax hands but they are good because we have the Ace blocker. If we have an Ace in our hand, it's less likely that our opponent has one, and it's VERY unlikely they've got 2 of the remaining aces for AA, so we're repping a really strong range and we know it's virtually impossible for them to have AA. Also, how many Ax hands are most people really gonna be happy continuing with to a 4bet? AK, AQ for some, AJ probably not, so we can fold out hands that have us crushed when he 3bets light with A5+ and we hold say A4
With hands like 67s, we want to see a flop and we can just easily fold a lot of flops or play draws aggressively, but we're not really that eager to see a flop with A4o cos it's just junk.
a bluff ............