Top Pair Good kicker/ flush draw

LARSON7

Just wondering, is this a fold pre in the small blind?

On the flop i just ship it, even if im dominated, i have outs, is the shove ok?

LARSON7	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.76
MorkOfOrk	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.34
SNOOKY118	Sit out
	Your hole cards	K Q
yk93	Raise		£0.16	£0.22	£9.07
Reyes01	Fold
phelper73	Call		£0.16	£0.38	£4.39
LARSON7	Call		£0.14	£0.52	£2.62
MorkOfOrk	Fold
Flop
		9 K 3
LARSON7	Check
yk93	Bet		£0.52	£1.04	£8.55
phelper73	Fold
LARSON7	All-in		£2.62	£3.66	£0.00
yk93	Call		£2.10	£5.76	£6.45
LARSON7	Show	K Q
yk93	Show	A K
Turn
		A
River
		4
LARSON7	Win	Flush to the Ace	£5.32		£5.32

GELDY

not a bad hand to peel with

not a bad flop to shove with

Lambert180

Depends on what the opponents are like for me with the preflop decision, there's room for folding, calling or 3betting all depending on what the opponents are like.

Postflop when he full pots it, I don't think he's ever folding to a shove. Similar to what TommyD said in another post...

This is essentially a semi-bluff and we can't really ever expect the villian to fold to a shove here I don't think, which means the bluff bit aint working. So once we know we're getting called, it's just about how we fair against his range, and I don't think we'll fair too well.

Against some opponents we can just call, against others it might be a fold.

P.S. You don't KNOW you have outs, if he turns up with Ac, you could be in pretty awful shape depending on his kicker.

DrSharp

Its NL4. No problems here.

GELDY

In Response to Re: Top Pair Good kicker/ flush draw:

Depends on what the opponents are like for me with the preflop decision, there's room for folding, calling or 3betting all depending on what the opponents are like. Postflop when he full pots it, I don't think he's ever folding to a shove. Similar to what TommyD said in another post... This is essentially a semi-bluff and we can't really ever expect the villian to fold to a shove here I don't think, which means the bluff bit aint working. So once we know we're getting called, it's just about how we fair against his range, and I don't think we'll fair too well. Against some opponents we can just call, against others it might be a fold. P.S. You don't KNOW you have outs, if he turns up with Ac, you could be in pretty awful shape depending on his kicker.
Posted by Lambert180

good points,

but as it was not three bet pre

and the shove is bigger I think there is more fold equity in this example

especially as the pot bet looks like someone scared of the flush

which the shove is repping

BorinLoner

Why are we talking about semi-bluffing and fold equity when the hero has top-pair, good kicker?

When you shove it has to be because you think you'll be called by more weaker hands than stronger hands and that this is the best way to extract value. If you can call and have your opponent barrel off with the bare club draw or a Kx hand, then calling is better. (Calling is probably better for pot-control, anyway)

As it is you have to think that your shove will be called by flush draws and Kx more often than by flushes and better made hands. It might be but I don't think it's the best choice. It's not a semi-bluff if we shove, though, it's just a marginal value shove.

Pull-up to the maximum.

OCD_man

i woulda folded pre..............KQo isnt a great hand and regularly gets into trouble.

im never calling from the SB here either. raise or fold