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River decision, call 3 bet or 4 bet?

LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
edited June 2013 in The Poker Clinic
LARSON7 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £3.96
jonah54 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £3.26
  Your hole cards
  • 9
  • 7
Fold     
heptone Fold     
lonesome Fold     
Beaders10 Call  £0.04 £0.10 £4.15
LARSON7 Call  £0.02 £0.12 £3.94
jonah54 Check     
Flop
   
  • 5
  • A
  • 4
     
LARSON7 Check     
jonah54 Check     
Beaders10 Check     
Turn
   
  • 8
     
LARSON7 Bet  £0.09 £0.21 £3.85
jonah54 Call  £0.09 £0.30 £3.17
Beaders10 Fold     
River
   
  • 10
     
LARSON7 Bet  £0.23 £0.53 £3.62
jonah54 Raise  £0.68 £1.21 £2.49
LARSON7 ?
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited June 2013
    Ship it.
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited June 2013
    Yeah I tend to shrug my shoulders and then ship it. Its a limped pot so they could have anything.  There are a couple of straights out there, loads of 2 pairs he could be overvaluing. 

    Happy to get it in at NL4. If its flush over flush then unlucky.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited June 2013
    Ship it.
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    edited June 2013
    LARSON7 Raise  £1.28 £2.49 £2.34
    jonah54 All-in  £2.49 £4.98 £0.00
    LARSON7 All-in  £2.34

    When i re raise, and oppo shoves, i want to fold. When he shoves pretty sure he has a flush, it is just is it a low enough flush that i can beat? I don't think i can.

    I didn't fold i called. But wonder if this is a fold?

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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited June 2013
    DONT click it back. How much of an idiot are you gonna feel when you click it back and he calls and turns of AT, 67 or w/e.

    And you don't get in spots like that above ^^^. If it's flush over flush, unlucky, but you can get called by so many worse hands when you shove.
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    edited June 2013

    The flush just got in, it's a good player, he's never calling a shove with 2 pair. Not this player.

    He had the nuts. When he shoves, 2 my reraise it's proba  fold. But again i had to see it.

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  • calcalfoldcalcalfold Member Posts: 978
    edited June 2013
    Just call without notes imo. And make notes on what they had.

    Limped pot means a very wide range.

    Beating 4nl is very ABC, no need to ship the 5th nuts vs an unknown.
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: River decision, call 3 bet or 4 bet?:
    Just call without notes imo. And make notes on what they had. Limped pot means a very wide range. Beating 4nl is very ABC, no need to ship the 5th nuts vs an unknown.
    Posted by calcalfold
    I think you are right against a tightish player.

    Prob just a call.
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited June 2013
    Ship it.
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited June 2013
    good player @ 4nl [ ]
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: River decision, call 3 bet or 4 bet?:
    good player @ 4nl [ ]
    Posted by percival09
    I play NL4 sometimes.

    Point taken.
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited June 2013
    Think about what he raises with and what he calls a river 3-bet with... Give as much information as possible on your opponents in future posts.

    If you raise here it would be a 3-bet, btw. Bet, raise, 3-bet, 4-bet, etc. Just count the bets.

    Pre-flop the first bet is the big blind, the next is the raise and the next is a 3-bet (re-raise).
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: River decision, call 3 bet or 4 bet?:
    The flush just got in, it's a good player, he's never calling a shove with 2 pair. Not this player. He had the nuts. When he shoves, 2 my reraise it's proba  fold. But again i had to see it.
    Posted by LARSON7
    Thats fairly key info you failed to mention in the opening post. 

    If you have a read as solid as this then why post the hand? Its a fold if he ONLY does this with the nuts.

    Against an unknown at nl4 its a really easy ship!
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