My post is on the topic of the thread. The problem isn't whether hero should be calling or 4betting with AA versus a 3bet, CO versus BU. The obvious answer is 4Bet, a monkey could tell you that. All you have to do is look at the end result of the hand to see that playing FPS is only going to get you into awkward situations post flop.
Hero is posting hands obviously to improve. It's my opinion that tightening up PF is way more important than OP's original question.
AA has ~92% equity over your AK; value which hero misses if the flop didn't come K high.
If you don't want help that will make you improve then just say, and I'll stop posting.
i'ma be to the point, if ya'll or anyone takes offence then so be it.
if he only ever has value hands pre, 4bet. if he is capable of being light and will make ridiculous folds with strong hands that we beat then we should peel, when we peel we should be betting the turn bigger, similarly once we get to the river on this run out if we can so easily bet fold AA then we should be playing alot looser preflop/and to the 3bet.
from larsons point of view, if he truly thinks youll raise call QQ/JJ oop then just c/f every K32r board he should be 3betting you relelentlessly, UTTERLY RELENTLESSLEY. checking occasionally for deception but realistically just betting the flop with a massive frequency both as a bluff and for value.
My post is on the topic of the thread. The problem isn't whether hero should be calling or 4betting with AA versus a 3bet, CO versus BU. The obvious answer is 4Bet, a monkey could tell you that. All you have to do is look at the end result of the hand to see that playing FPS is only going to get you into awkward situations post flop. Hero is posting hands obviously to improve. It's my opinion that tightening up PF is way more important than OP's original question. AA has ~92% equity over your AK; value which hero misses if the flop didn't come K high. If you don't want help that will lat you improve then just say, and I'll stop posting. Posted by dub1
I didn't have AK.
Borinloner, as per his posts on the clinic, has a really good knowlegde of poker.
I agree with you 100% that it should have been 4 bet. I also agree that at the lower levels, 5nl 10nl that the best way to play is tight.
That being said, people play for different reasons, some to make money some just for the fun of it. Most probably a bit of both. Borin does not play a great deal, he seems to just love the game, particuarly from a knowlegde perspective, he is the poker academic of Sky.
If he did play regularly, undoubtedly he would be a winning player.
i'ma be to the point, if ya'll or anyone takes offence then so be it. if he only ever has value hands pre, 4bet. if he is capable of being light and will make ridiculous folds with strong hands that we beat then we should peel, when we peel we should be betting the turn bigger, similarly once we get to the river on this run out if we can so easily bet fold AA then we should be playing alot looser preflop/and to the 3bet. from larsons point of view, if he truly thinks youll raise call QQ/JJ oop then just c/f every K32r board he should be 3betting you relelentlessly, UTTERLY RELENTLESSLEY. checking occasionally for deception but realistically just betting the flop with a massive frequency both as a bluff and for value. Posted by beaneh
cheers buddy, very nice post.
You are right, he is going to call atleast 1 street with JJ/QQ.
Thinking about it, i do need to bet the flop. If he folds he folds. It's a tough balance sometimes.
But then i'm toiling a bit on the turn (that was my thinking), if i bet outside of AA he's probably folding.
Dub and Larson, it seems your dispute is about a few words, the intentions of which have been slightly misinterpreted: Storm in a tea cup. We're all good.
Beaneh, I agree. I was thinking he would c-bet any flop, assuming I was flatting fairly wide. I was surprised by the check but obviously that only ever meant value hands because he c-bets any bluffs. I ruled out AK immediately since it seemed he'd either be really strong (KK) or fairly marginal to anything that calls a bet on this flop. I probably should have bet more on the turn but after his check on the flop, I didn't want to make it too tough for him to call with his underpairs to the King.
I am surprised at the way this thread has developed. It seemed fairly innocuous to me and, as I say, I only posted because I promised I would.
In Response to Re: AA Facing A Pre-Flop 3-Bet, OOP : I didn't have AK. Borinloner, as per his posts on the clinic, has a really good knowlegde of poker. I agree with you 100% that it should have been 4 bet. I also agree that at the lower levels, 5nl 10nl that the best way to play is tight. That being said, people play for different reasons, some to make money some just for the fun of it. Most probably a bit of both. Borin does not play a great deal, he seems to just love the game, particuarly from a knowlegde perspective, he is the poker academic of Sky. If he did play regularly, undoubtedly he would be a winning player. Posted by LARSON7
Erm... maybe.
But in the days when I played a lot of SNG's I would build up my roll nicely before having a tilty evening, when I would spew the lot off by jumping up the levels, chasing my losses and playing like a mentalist. Then I'd do it again.
I can make no guarantees that I could avoid that in future.
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Borinloner, as per his posts on the clinic, has a really good knowlegde of poker.
I agree with you 100% that it should have been 4 bet. I also agree that at the lower levels, 5nl 10nl that the best way to play is tight.
That being said, people play for different reasons, some to make money some just for the fun of it. Most probably a bit of both. Borin does not play a great deal, he seems to just love the game, particuarly from a knowlegde perspective, he is the poker academic of Sky.
If he did play regularly, undoubtedly he would be a winning player.
You are right, he is going to call atleast 1 street with JJ/QQ.
Thinking about it, i do need to bet the flop. If he folds he folds. It's a tough balance sometimes.
But then i'm toiling a bit on the turn (that was my thinking), if i bet outside of AA he's probably folding.
I should have just bet, to get it on the river.
Beaneh, I agree. I was thinking he would c-bet any flop, assuming I was flatting fairly wide. I was surprised by the check but obviously that only ever meant value hands because he c-bets any bluffs. I ruled out AK immediately since it seemed he'd either be really strong (KK) or fairly marginal to anything that calls a bet on this flop. I probably should have bet more on the turn but after his check on the flop, I didn't want to make it too tough for him to call with his underpairs to the King.
I am surprised at the way this thread has developed. It seemed fairly innocuous to me and, as I say, I only posted because I promised I would.
I still don't hate the way I played it, though.
But in the days when I played a lot of SNG's I would build up my roll nicely before having a tilty evening, when I would spew the lot off by jumping up the levels, chasing my losses and playing like a mentalist. Then I'd do it again.
I can make no guarantees that I could avoid that in future.