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Played this terrible, was the biggest mistake pre flop?

SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
edited June 2013 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
hugs1 Small blind  20.00 20.00 2110.00
gunney Big blind  40.00 60.00 1255.00
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • K
     
buddiesr27 Fold     
wasnmee Call  40.00 100.00 1010.00
gazzaluf05 Raise  200.00 300.00 6717.50
Slykllist Call  200.00 500.00 3305.00
hugs1 Fold     
gunney Fold     
wasnmee Call  160.00 660.00 850.00
Flop
   
  • 9
  • Q
  • 2
     
wasnmee Check     
gazzaluf05 Bet  660.00 1320.00 6057.50
Slykllist Raise  1320.00 2640.00 1985.00
wasnmee Fold     
gazzaluf05 All-in  6057.50 8697.50 0.00
Slykllist All-in  1985.00 10682.50 0.00
gazzaluf05 Unmatched bet  3412.50 7270.00 3412.50
gazzaluf05 Show
  • A
  • A
   
Slykllist Show
  • Q
  • K
   
Turn
   
  • 7
     
River
   
  • 7
     
gazzaluf05 Win Two Pairs, Aces and 7s 7270.00  10682.50

Comments

  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited June 2013
    Also, should I be folding to the shove on the flop?

    The absolute worst hand I'm giving credit for when he shoves in AQ
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited June 2013
    You're a waaaaay better player than me but I hate the flop min raise/call off. Don't think you're ever good when he goes back over the top.

    Folding pre probably the best course of action, though wouldn't object to a modest raise to then fold to any resistance. Dangerous to get carried away with a potentially dominated hand.
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2013
    Pre definitely isn't the biggest mistake.

    Why raise the flop?
  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited June 2013
    I think pre-flop is fine to play the flop in position with a decent hand. Unless we have reason to think that this opponent is only raising a narrow range, then it's reasonable to think he can be isolating with a fairly wide range. Our KQ won't play too badly against a wide iso range, we're relatively deep and we have the button. Pre-flop seems fine in a vacuum.

    Post-flop, I'm not sure why we're raising. Obviously we're not bluffing but why do we want to narrow our opponent's range when we're holding top-pair, good kicker? Raising just stops him in his tracks if he's holding any bluffs or most weaker value hands. We're basically hoping we can get it in against a QJ type hand but we're making him fold JJ or worse when he might put more money in on later streets. Obviously, if he has us beat we're making it really easy for him to stack us.

    So we need to think about our opponent's range for raising pre-flop and firing full-pot on the flop. Then we need to ask which hands continue if we raise.

    You haven't provided any information on this opponent but the full-pot bet on the flop is rarely weak. I'd probably be calling the flop and looking to control the size of the pot on later streets. If he wants to keep piling money in on the turn, we have to ask what that means for his range and how much of it we can beat.
  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited June 2013
    Raising the flop is the mistake imo because you are only usually getting action from better hands. Flatting means u keep in hands that you beat.  Although as BL said the line from the opponent up to the flop is strong. 

    I may fold preflop, but it is ok to peel because you have that shiny disc thing in front of you.

  • edited June 2013
    Not a great fan of peeling a 5x raise with KQo, regardless of position or not, until I know for certain villain is opening really light. 

    In addition, there is a 1200 stack in the blinds, who can concievably shove over 460 worth of dead chips with any pair, decent aces etc, and wouldnt want to commit 200 and then fold to a shove.

    Flop, 5xer pots the flop, again, without reads that he does this with 100% of his range, its an easy flatcall, not a raise (raise folds out JJ and under, and ships with AQ+ and good combo draws).

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