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Fold or shove?
l_P
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This is my first post on the community and I am pretty much a new player. This hand was taken from the turbo on Tuesday 18th June.
BB was a huge stack at this point in the tournament and they were playing fairly loose. I was thinking that they had a bare heart on the flop and I wasn't scared of AK because of the flat call pre. Intentions were to reach showdown for as cheap as possible.
Question is should i have folded/shoved the flop after the raise; if not should i have done likewise on the turn?
Any advice would be appreciated
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| jamz407 | Small blind | 60.00 | 60.00 | 1094.00 | |
| jan3333 | Big blind | 120.00 | 180.00 | 9995.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| darsum333 | Fold | ||||
| l_P | Raise | 360.00 | 540.00 | 3020.00 | |
| mrspangle | Fold | ||||
| kezzzz | Fold | ||||
| jamz407 | Fold | ||||
| jan3333 | Call | 240.00 | 780.00 | 9755.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| jan3333 | Check | ||||
| l_P | Bet | 390.00 | 1170.00 | 2630.00 | |
| jan3333 | Raise | 780.00 | 1950.00 | 8975.00 | |
| l_P | Call | 390.00 | 2340.00 | 2240.00 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| jan3333 | Bet | 960.00 | 3300.00 | 8015.00 | |
| l_P | Call | 960.00 | 4260.00 | 1280.00 | |
| River | |||||
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| jan3333 | All-in | 8015.00 | 12275.00 | 0.00 | |
| l_P | All-in | 1280.00 | 13555.00 | 0.00 | |
| jan3333 | Unmatched bet | 6735.00 | 6820.00 | 6735.00 | |
| jan3333 | Show |
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| l_P | Show |
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| jan3333 | Win | Flush to the Ace | 6820.00 | 13555.00 | |
Comments
Well if its a bare heart you were scared of then a shove certainly does not give him the odds to call but if he's loose and has a K too so may feel he's ahead then you are getting into a dangerous area. The fact thats its a Turbo may push you in this direction. Personally i may call the click back and consider the situation on the turn after all, what will he call a 3xbb raise from HJ with? You are still behind AQ. You still have about 20 BB if you fold the turn and find a better spot imo.
The flop check/minraise is really hideously strong normally- but it could also be a bare Q or J of hearts. You could shove on him, but realistically then you're only getting called if he's as strong as KQ with the nut flush draw or better- and your odds are pretty slim. I'd take the call in position.
On the turn when he leads out at you, I probably shove at this point. I think this is the real shove/fold moment, and the way the hand has played it's fairly likely he has the heart draw with a pair a lot of the time. A fold is acceptable, you have a fairly playable stack still, but I think very often you're good in this position- and the 3's just confirmed you're ahead of AQ (although if he's aggro like you said, I think you can rule out AK and AQ at this point).
On the river, if another heart comes down you have to fold, and if a heart doesn't come and he shuts down- you miss out on value. But as it played out I don't think you have any option but to make the call here. The jam is a desperate busted flush a lot of the time.
tl;dr, I like everything apart from the turn.
flop is meh, no one is folding so take no notice of them
i would argue that min raise on this monatone flop could be anything
but it's sky and no one would ever think about not giving odds to a one heart hand lol 395/1950
fold to the terribad min raise is kinda meh fold.....doubt any of you fold in game...
cmon be serious LETS ALL DO THE MIN RAISE - risk reward..................loving it
turbo - kiss my balls - I ain't folding