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Lambert180
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Is my 3bet size too small?
How do we play it postflop, feel like I gotta c-bet but don't love it, but hate c/c and obv hate c/f.
How do we play it postflop, feel like I gotta c-bet but don't love it, but hate c/c and obv hate c/f.
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Lambert180 | Small blind | 400.00 | 400.00 | 14845.00 | |
| oscarpet | Big blind | 800.00 | 1200.00 | 8620.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| _kagawa_ | Fold | ||||
| FlyingDagg | Fold | ||||
| subpar | Call | 800.00 | 2000.00 | 13955.00 | |
| avggolfer | Fold | ||||
| Lambert180 | Raise | 1400.00 | 3400.00 | 13445.00 | |
| oscarpet | Fold | ||||
| subpar | Call | 1000.00 | 4400.00 | 12955.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
| |||||
| Lambert180 | Bet | 1955.00 | 6355.00 | 11490.00 | |
| subpar | All-in | 12955.00 | 19310.00 | 0.00 | |
| Lambert180 | Fold | ||||
| subpar | Muck | ||||
| subpar | Win | 8310.00 | 8310.00 | ||
| subpar | Return | 11000.00 | 0.00 | 19310.00 | |
Comments
Don't really have a stack to be playing streets, and how often do people limp fold to a smallish 3bet? Always gonna be tricky playing 99 post flop oop with those stack sizes, unless we flop the set.
I don't mind shoving our 18BB stack with 2.5BB in the middle, as Harry suggests. Does a 13.5% increase to our stack merit a shove? If we raise to 3k, are we ever going to be shipped on by worse hands? To be fair, which better hands are limping here? Sometimes he has AA or KK, most of the time he doesn't. When we're called, we're probably flipping. I suppose we might even be called by 88 or lower.
If we raise to 3k (or 1.8k as we actually did) we can never c-bet this flop if we're called. I don't think we're getting folds from better hands or getting called by worse on this flop. If we bet, I think we're just trying to avoid being bluffed by lower pocket pairs but most of the hands in our opponent's range are going to be beating us on this board, or have huge equity. Betting this flop seems like a mistake.
I think there are occasional lines we can take that are -ev for range balancing purposes. If we check this flop with 99 we are so exploitable we should just fold pre.
Out of interest, would you advocate a c/c or c/f?
Again the shove is an option, although I still think it's a bit big with the effective stack over a limp, I think it's just too much for the villian to feel they have to call with weaker holdings. If they've chosen to play 88 like this for instance then I think they'd fold to a shove so I'm probably only getting called when crushed or maybe a flip v AK if he's decided to play that funky... Should have pointed out in the OP that at this blind level it had become the norm for pretty much every player on the table to open limp if they came into a pot (except me obv).
Also, I've been trying to play more small ball poker at these stages recently. Obviously when we're around 10-12xBB (or less), there's no room for small ball anymore but around the 20xBB stage, there's still room for poker on Sky specifically.
For instance there are certain players when we're 20xBB effective where they can open to 2x, and you can 3bet bluff to 5x because you'll get a ridic amount of folds V said player but you know 100% if they shove it's the easiest fold in the world.
anything below 20bb does not warrant small ball poker />25bb and small ball is ok
you should be looking to lower the SPR on flop, your not looking to play streets unless your deeper and can apply pressure/leverage verus the effective
We're never a big favourite, sometimes flipping and the rest of the time we're betting as a 60% or 90% dog. If our opponent calls a lead on this flop can we fire a blank turn? Should we? If he comes over the top with one of those weaker draws, we can't call anyway. When we bet, we're basically hoping he folds. If he calls, we're probably check-folding the turn and if he raises, we're folding the flop.
This board smashes a limp-caller's range. Having made such a small pre-flop raise ourselves, it's a possibility that our opponent could have low suited connectors or a small pair. However, I think more of his range has hit this flop.
When we check, I think we have to be check-folding. We might be folding the best hand but our opponent has limp-called and when a limp-caller bets a flop like this, we're probably not winning.
I don't agree that we're exploitable if we check this flop. We're simply recognising that the hand that was likely ahead pre-flop is now likely to be behind against our opponent's range. It's such a bad flop for us.
He might check back, of course. Which would be nice.