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am i only beating a bluff?

mewillowsmewillows Member Posts: 406
edited July 2013 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
rossybee16Small blind 20.0020.003850.00
 Big blind 40.0060.003980.00
 Your hole cards
  • A
  • Q
   
poker69Call 40.00100.003525.00
GREENIENO_Fold    
mewillowsRaise 145.00245.003855.00
POKEY2011Fold    
rossybee16Fold    
 Call 105.00350.003875.00
poker69Fold    
Flop
  
  • 10
  • 2
  • A
   
 Bet 40.00390.003835.00
mewillowsRaise 255.00645.003600.00
 Call 215.00860.003620.00
Turn
  
  • 9
   
 Bet 40.00900.003580.00
mewillowsCall 40.00940.003560.00
River
  
  • J
   
 Check    
mewillowsBet 470.001410.003090.00
 All-in 3580.004990.000.00
mewillows?    
      
      
      
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Comments

  • mewillowsmewillows Member Posts: 406
    edited June 2013
    this was the very first hand i was dealt so no reads or notes on the players as i had late regged.
  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,494
    edited June 2013
    Funky turn bet call. Funky hand.

    I have no idea what is going on as played. Just call
  • est1967est1967 Member Posts: 247
    edited June 2013
    KQ I suppose but 40.00 on turn!!why only 40.00?Anyone would call 40 into 900 pot.
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited June 2013
    It's a tough one.

    Is he check raising all in on the river with a busted draw?
    Is he c/r all in on the river with a 'value' hand that we still beat with top 2?
    Is he c/r all in on the river with the nuts or essential nuts?

    Probably not.
    Possibly.
    Yes.

    We beat 2 of these. We lose, and thus exit the tournament, to the other. Read/noteless, possibly comes down to if we fancy a gamble or not. Though the 'G' word and with it still being early doors probably implies it should be a fold.







    I think I'd still call though ;)

    Edit- discard all this.
  • mewillowsmewillows Member Posts: 406
    edited June 2013
    hmmm,

    It was a £55 BH so the extreme overbet felt like he wanted it to look bluffy and i didnt know what i was actually beating.

    A10,AJ,10J,QK,A9 were all beating me and i dont think they would put there tourney life on the line so soon. Remember i 3 bet them pre, raised their flop lead and bet the river.
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: am i only beating a bluff?:
    hmmm, It was a £55 BH so the extreme overbet felt like he wanted it to look bluffy and i didnt know what i was actually beating. A10,AJ,10J,QK,A9 were all beating me and i dont think they would put there tourney life on the line so soon. Remember i 3 bet them pre, raised their flop lead and bet the river.
    Posted by mewillows
    For some reason (possibly a shandy too many tonight!) I thought you had top 2. Stupid beer goggles.

    Now realising it's just top pair, it's a fold I think. So in answer to your question, yes I believe you are only really beating a bluff.
  • mewillowsmewillows Member Posts: 406
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: am i only beating a bluff?:
    In Response to Re: am i only beating a bluff? : For some reason (possibly a shandy too many tonight!) I thought you had top 2. Stupid beer goggles. Now realising it's just top pair, it's a fold I think. So in answer to your question, yes I believe you are only really beating a bluff.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    wish iwas having a shandy. yes top pair and nut flush draw
  • LnarinOOLnarinOO Member Posts: 545
    edited June 2013
    id raise turn to get in stacks on river, jus callin looks far too weak fo rvillan to be able to bluff like this.. havin said that i doubt its a bluff players min bet to get to showdownn cheap or with drawing hands thinkin the'll they'll pay there own price to bink... in this case he most probally has it so defo fold, he neva has Ax so yea only beating a total bluff 
  • BigHawk89BigHawk89 Member Posts: 627
    edited June 2013
    Check back river imo.
  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited June 2013
    I raise turn as played i think its a puke fml fold. This is a weird low stake line that tilts the **** outta me because they almost always have the nuts. 
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited June 2013
    Yeah I'd raise the turn too but yeh puke fold river.
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: am i only beating a bluff?:
    Check back river imo.
    Posted by BigHawk89

    if you think your WAWB than you should call down and check back river
  • mewillowsmewillows Member Posts: 406
    edited June 2013
    im in agreement that i should of raised the turn to charge them for drawing hands and/or check back the river. Rancid WAWB?
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: am i only beating a bluff?:
    im in agreement that i should of raised the turn to charge them for drawing hands and/or check back the river. Rancid WAWB?
    Posted by mewillows

    way ahead, way behind

    Even though you say charge them for draw, what other hands could oppo have where your just exploiting yourself
    Are we so convinced that min bets are weak always after you have raised flop, got called and oppo mins again.

    You have to be dam sure oppo doing this with one pr + draws

    actually feels like a 2 pr/set or str even though we hold a blocker

    fwiw think the min is either weak or monster



  • jonnyrkdjonnyrkd Member Posts: 139
    edited June 2013
    I would fold as yes I think on river you're only beating a bluff, just a hunch though. KQ or JT being most likely i would guess...
  • mewillowsmewillows Member Posts: 406
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: am i only beating a bluff?:
    In Response to Re: am i only beating a bluff? : way ahead, way behind Even though you say charge them for draw, what other hands could oppo have where your just exploiting yourself Are we so convinced that min bets are weak always after you have raised flop, got called and oppo mins again. You have to be dam sure oppo doing this with one pr + draws actually feels like a 2 pr/set or str even though we hold a blocker fwiw think the min is either weak or monster
    Posted by rancid
    Its the check back on the river which made me value bet the river (which i instantly hated) as i think my hand was polarised to an Ax or A10 type of hand.  In the end i put them on a straight as small lead out on flop, calling my flop raise and small lead out on turn felt like they were chasing the more i look back at it.
    fwiw i folded
  • profman15profman15 Member Posts: 1,808
    edited June 2013
    Hi m

    Not looking at others so apologies if same stuff stated. Your opponent seems to show poor bet sizing throughout. However certainly kq fits the bill.Tbh you should raise his turn bet as you are allowing him pretty much a free card  to catch his draw whether it be straight or flush. Again a poor bet size on river by him but one you can't call in my opinion. Keep an eye on him and look to trap later. 


  • mewillowsmewillows Member Posts: 406
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: am i only beating a bluff?:
    Hi m Not looking at others so apologies if same stuff stated. Your opponent seems to show poor bet sizing throughout. However certainly kq fits the bill.Tbh you should raise his turn bet as you are allowing him pretty much a free card  to catch his draw whether it be straight or flush. Again a poor bet size on river by him but one you can't call in my opinion. Keep an eye on him and look to trap later.  PS you should really blank out guys name in all fairness when putting in clinic.
    Posted by profman15

    ty for posting prof, his name is blanked out. check again sir
  • profman15profman15 Member Posts: 1,808
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: am i only beating a bluff?:
    In Response to Re: am i only beating a bluff? : ty for posting prof, his name is blanked out. check again sir
    Posted by mewillows
     Hi m
    Wow ur quick m8. I'd just noticed and edited my post submitted and yours was waiting for me. Sorry my mistake initially. Now I've read some others and notice it was a £55 buy- in so I'm favouring a more polarised approach fwiw. Personally still fold that river but now feel his bet sizing more as a tempt with a monster. Still think raise turn though, I feel, in case not. Maybe he will see this and tell us what he had.( doubt it though!)
  • zilean99zilean99 Member Posts: 37
    edited June 2013
    I'd prefer to raise the turn and check back the river. River card is quite a nasty one. We can still get value from raising the turn. He looks like he has some weak showdown/draw hand when he leads 40 on the turn, by just calling, we're giving him a chance o hit that river so cheaply. For instance KQ got there cheaply, j10, AJ. A guy who plays the hand like he did would definately put it all in with AJ on this river, and maybe j10. Obv a weak player.
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