Rancid, it's how many raked hands that you played ANY part in. So you sit there and folds 6 times. In them 6 hands, everyone else on the table played pots which were raked. You were DEALT into these 6 hands so get them counted in your tally. So yes folding is the order of the day. Posted by Lambert180
If you're silly enough to fold 6 hands every orbit, then you lose money lol.
I'm sure I read this thread just a couple of weeks ago.
I also remember a thread started by the Don to discuss issues with promotions. Some very good suggestions (as well as some not so good ones) were made there and no response was forthcoming from any Sky peeps.
I won't waste any more of my time debating this today, since nothing will come of it.
Rancid, it's how many raked hands that you played ANY part in. So you sit there and folds 6 times. In them 6 hands, everyone else on the table played pots which were raked. You were DEALT into these 6 hands so get them counted in your tally. So yes folding is the order of the day. Posted by Lambert180
This is what I was getting at, if it encourgaes folding on mult tables than this does not generate more rake for Sky and it does not provide good cash games to play in for recs or regs.
lso just like to add as dohh said i think, if people ar just fold fold fold then tell me where they are sitting because they will be playing face up basically!!
SighCall - I'll never argue that this isn't profitable in the short term, of course it is, massively so. BUT it's terrible for the longevity of the game and the site. Most new players wanna sit down, have a bit of fun and play some poker, not sit down on a table full of the same 5 names that are on every other table and just get stacked over and over. If 3 weaker players are sat with 3 stronger players, there's a real mix of standards and play, and something for everyone. I've heard plenty of people (not regs) say in chat boxes that they hate sitting at cash tables seeing the same people on every table and know they're basically just being bum hunted on a larger scale.
These players may take a shot at 8NL/10NL but there are alot of people where that is just too much money on the line and they'll just choose to go play somewhere else.
The only thing more boring than volume promos & rakeback in general is people moaning about volume promos and rakeback in general. Just adapt, the games are still amongst the softest around. Or play something else/elsewhere for a week Zzz Posted by DOHHHHHHH
THIS
I'm annoyed at myself for being annoyed at those who are annoyed with the promo.
These regs can be beaten, but unlike them, I don't wanna drop down to 4NL just to win some promo, I wanna play my normal level, and I guarantee the number of tables running will plummet during this week. Of course they can be beaten, but the games are SO boring and with alot less value than non-rakerace times.
Meh, I cba discussing it anymore cos the discussion has happened 3 times already in the past 6 weeks and it's going no-where.
SighCall - I'll never argue that this isn't profitable in the short term, of course it is, massively so. BUT it's terrible for the longevity of the game and the site. Most new players wanna sit down, have a bit of fun and play some poker, not sit down on a table full of the same 5 names that are on every other table and just get stacked over and over. If 3 weaker players are sat with 3 stronger players, there's a real mix of standards and play, and something for everyone. I've heard plenty of people (not regs) say in chat boxes that they hate sitting at cash tables seeing the same people on every table and know they're basically just being bum hunted on a larger scale. These players may take a shot at 8NL/10NL but there are alot of people where that is just too much money on the line and they'll just choose to go play somewhere else. Posted by Lambert180
In theory, what you are saying is correct, recs want a nice fun game. However where is the evidence to back this up?
As far as i can see sky has grown in the past few years!
Also recs might not even notice these regs and as to say they will get stacked over and over i doubt this becuase these massive grinders wont be playing 100% optimally, infact the games may be nicer to play as people wont be sat there with a load of spewy players that could lead to frustration and eventually tilt and leaving the site. Instead they will get to play 'good poker' against solid players. Those recs who just want a gamble and not bothered about playing good poker im sure will be happy to risk a bit more and play higher levels.
Just like to back my point up with something that someone said at a casino i was playing at, he said he moved to this casino because the play at the other casino was too many gamblers and spewy. So from this man aswell as most 2p4p just want a good evenings poker and playing against solid players whereswings will be less would be better than playing spewy players that will earn you more money over time but could lead to swings and peoople thinking 'sky is a joke' etc. and lest face it how many nl4 players are there to make money and how many are there just for a good night of poker.
again poorley written probably but hope u get the jist
These regs can be beaten, but unlike them, I don't wanna drop down to 4NL just to win some promo, I wanna play my normal level, and I guarantee the number of tables running will plummet during this week. Of course they can be beaten, but the games are SO boring and with alot less value than non-rakerace times. Meh, I cba discussing it anymore cos the discussion has happened 3 times already in the past 6 weeks and it's going no-where. Posted by Lambert180
only just saw this before i posted my last post.
just like to say that what ive seen in past is a load of people annoyed that they wont benefit from the promo and that sky only care about recs but noone but sky opposing. so not really a discussion imo.
also if all solid regs drop down surely then it leaves a loads of recs at the higher level tables...sweeeeEt
In Response to Re: Another rake race - seriously? : This is what I was getting at, if it encourgaes folding on mult tables than this does not generate more rake for Sky and it does not provide good cash games to play in for recs or regs. Posted by rancid
not meaning to be rude but it obviously does. sky have the stats and they arnt mugs!
I don't have any particular complaint about running rakeraces but the regularity of them is starting to become ridiculous. Please try something else SKY Posted by huuuuume
have you seen the state of the games since the Jan 2012 60k rake race, and the number of rake races between then and now. plus obviously the hugely sensible fact that they are number of hands based, ie the king of idiotic ways to do it
In Response to Re: Another rake race - seriously? : not meaning to be rude but it obviously does. sky have the stats and they arnt mugs! Posted by sighcall
I don't disagree that an increase in number of tables probably slightly increases their rake, but if the site is here for 1 month less because of a few days rake race was it worth it? similarly I agree with what you've said except the last bit innit. xx
In Response to Re: Another rake race - seriously? : have you seen the state of the games since the Jan 2012 60k rake race, and the number of rake races between then and now. plus obviously the hugely sensible fact that they are number of hands based, ie the king of idiotic ways to do it In Response to Re: Another rake race - seriously? : I don't disagree that an increase in number of tables probably slightly increases their rake, but if the site is here for 1 month less because of a few days rake race was it worth it? similarly I agree with what you've said except the last bit innit. xx Posted by beaneh
sorry are u saying sky may go out of business lol? its growing is it not?
sky poker going out of business in next 20 years 10000/1 IMO
In Response to Re: Another rake race - seriously? : not meaning to be rude but it obviously does. sky have the stats and they arnt mugs! Posted by sighcall
If everyone is folding how does that provide more rake ?
There maybe some more players, playing tighter ranges = bigger hands = more rake
or just more players = rake
but my statement "if everyone folds = less rake" is correct
i know what your saying though, it doesn't benefit the long term cash games though imo
In Response to Re: Another rake race - seriously? : If everyone is folding how does that provide more rake ? There maybe some more players, playing tighter ranges = bigger hands = more rake or just more players = rake but my statement "if everyone folds = less rake" is correct i know what your saying though, it doesn't benefit the long term cash games though imo Posted by rancid
Like i said to lambert I 100% agree with you in theory!
But it must generate more rake somehow as sky wouldnt run so many of them to lose money haha!
The only thing more boring than volume promos & rakeback in general is people moaning about volume promos and rakeback in general. Just adapt, the games are still amongst the softest around. Or play something else/elsewhere for a week Zzz Posted by DOHHHHHHH
If the games are the softest around then with your poker brain why arent you rich? There are some perfectly valid points in this thread. People are concerned with the long term viability of the site, the promo does nothing to address that in fact it puts that future at risk.
Its like the greedy bankers out to make a fast buck analogy to **** with the longer term consequences.
Just a little Mod note to say please let's keep this all constructive and civil. So far it has been very constructive and civil from what I have seen, please keep it on this course.
As far as I'm concerned everything has been bang on fine to this post, let's keep it on that course please and thanks.
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I also remember a thread started by the Don to discuss issues with promotions. Some very good suggestions (as well as some not so good ones) were made there and no response was forthcoming from any Sky peeps.
I won't waste any more of my time debating this today, since nothing will come of it.
This is what I was getting at, if it encourgaes folding on mult tables than this does not generate more rake for Sky and it does not provide good cash games to play in for recs or regs.
These players may take a shot at 8NL/10NL but there are alot of people where that is just too much money on the line and they'll just choose to go play somewhere else.
Meh, I cba discussing it anymore cos the discussion has happened 3 times already in the past 6 weeks and it's going no-where.
I don't have any particular complaint about running rakeraces but the regularity of them is starting to become ridiculous.
Please try something else SKY
Very simple, these promo's only go to stagnate cash games on Sky, which only serves to push away new rec players.
the debate is not about if you can outplay someone folding 80-90% of hands -
The fact the promo encourages it just like the old c4p system, makes promo's like this suck.
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as I have said before promo's that encourage people to see FLOPS is good -
If everyone is folding how does that provide more rake ?
There maybe some more players, playing tighter ranges = bigger hands = more rake
or just more players = rake
but my statement "if everyone folds = less rake" is correct
i know what your saying though, it doesn't benefit the long term cash games though imo
Just a little Mod note to say please let's keep this all constructive and civil. So far it has been very constructive and civil from what I have seen, please keep it on this course.
As far as I'm concerned everything has been bang on fine to this post, let's keep it on that course please and thanks.