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MTT Live Thread

LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
edited July 2013 in Poker Chat

Here goes, a live MTT thread!

2 Deepstack Tournies,

1st 1 maniac at table lol pretty much shipping every hand. So will just wait for the double up.

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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013
    Got moved from the maiacs table, gutted lol

    Profmans sitting on the table so he'll prob be cleaning up against this guy.

    Nothing much happening 30 mins in

    This hand here hate oppos donk bet, clearly air!
    tybz Small blind  30.00 30.00 5437.50
    mickee1 Big blind  60.00 90.00 5737.00
      Your hole cards
    • 8
    • 8
    		     
    DevilMelv Call  60.00 150.00 4806.00
    FlyingDagg Fold     
    Haemophile Call  60.00 210.00 3179.50
    LARSON7 Raise  180.00 390.00 4300.00
    tybz Fold     
    mickee1 Call  120.00 510.00 5617.00
    DevilMelv Call  120.00 630.00 4686.00
    Haemophile Call  120.00 750.00 3059.50
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • 10
    • 3
    		     
    mickee1 Check     
    DevilMelv Check     
    Haemophile Bet  375.00 1125.00 2684.50
    LARSON7 Call  375.00 1500.00 3925.00
    mickee1 Fold     
    DevilMelv Fold     
    Turn
       
    • 7
    		     
    Haemophile Check     
    LARSON7 Bet  400.00 1900.00 3525.00
    Haemophile Fold     
    LARSON7 Muck     
    LARSON7 Win  1500.00  5025.00
    LARSON7 Return  400.00 0.00
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013
    First big pot:

    River: I should of prob stuck in a value bet, just hated th open ended straight draw
    xSmall blind  40.00 40.00 4990.00
    Haemophile Big blind  80.00 120.00 3504.50
      Your hole cards
    • 7
    • 7
    		     
    LARSON7 Raise  160.00 280.00 5215.00
    tybz Fold     
    mickee1 Fold     
    DevilMelv Fold     
    xCall  120.00 400.00 4870.00
    Haemophile Fold     
    Flop
       
    • 4
    • 7
    • K
    		     
    x Bet  240.00 640.00 4630.00
    LARSON7 Call  240.00 880.00 4975.00
    Turn
       
    • 5
    		     
    x Bet  440.00 1320.00 4190.00
    LARSON7 Raise  1320.00 2640.00 3655.00
    xCall  880.00 3520.00 3310.00
    River
       
    • 6
    		     
    xCheck     
    LARSON7 Check     
    xShow
    • K
    • 9
    		   
    LARSON7 Show
    • 7
    • 7
    		   
    LARSON7 Win Three 7s 3520
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013
    The Ugly, loosey goosey i know, just a fold pre!
    billyg Small blind  30.00 30.00 5577.50
    gritpipe Big blind  60.00 90.00 5445.00
      Your hole cards
    • 8
    • A
    		     
    Andyl1986 Fold     
    59 Fold     
    LARSON7 Raise  120.00 210.00 5075.00
    HOLDemHIGH Call  120.00 330.00 4207.50
    billyg Fold     
    gritpipe Fold     
    Flop
       
    • 4
    • J
    • 9
    		     
    LARSON7 Bet  165.00 495.00 4910.00
    HOLDemHIGH Call  165.00 660.00 4042.50
    Turn
       
    • A
    		     
    LARSON7 Check     
    HOLDemHIGH Bet  60.00 720.00 3982.50
    LARSON7 Call  60.00 780.00 4850.00
    River
       
    • 2
    		     
    LARSON7 Check     
    HOLDemHIGH All-in  3982.50 4762.50 0.00
    LARSON7 Fold     
    HOLDemHIGH Muck     
    HOLDemHIGH Win  780.00  780.00
    HOLDemHIGH Return  3982
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  • 12671267 Member Posts: 936
    edited July 2013
    If hes clearly got air, (which he hasnt - but thats a different matter )  why wudnt you check back turn and let him bluff river?
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013
    Disaster!

    Donk bets lol obv hate the ace prov need to re raise flop
    tybz Small blind  75.00 75.00 3812.50
    mickee1 Big blind  150.00 225.00 10941.50
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
    		     
    FlyingDagg Fold     
    kjackson12 Fold     
    LARSON7 Raise  450.00 675.00 6050.00
    tybz Fold     
    mickee1 Call  300.00 975.00 10641.50
    Flop
       
    • 8
    • A
    • Q
    		     
    mickee1 Bet  300.00 1275.00 10341.50
    LARSON7 Call  300.00 1575.00 5750.00
    Turn
       
    • J
    		     
    mickee1 Bet  300.00 1875.00 10041.50
    LARSON7 Call  300.00 2175.00 5450.00
    River
       
    • J
    		     
    mickee1 Bet  750.00 2925.00 9291.50
    LARSON7 Call  750.00 3675.00 4700.00
    mickee1 Show
    • 10
    • K
    		   
    LARSON7 Muck
    • K
    • K
    		   
    mickee1 Win Straight to the Ace 3675
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013

    In Response to Re: MTT Live Thread:

    If hes clearly got air, (which he hasnt - but thats a different matter )  why wudnt you check back turn and let him bluff river?
    Posted by 1267
    Cause i didnt know he had air till i bet.

    I was protecting my hand.

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  • 12671267 Member Posts: 936
    edited July 2013

    Fair enough.  Kings call on the river is terrible.   Also never 3x Kings , but min raise weaker opening hands .....  massive give away.

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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013
    ist mtt, 34/48 6.1k chips, average 10k

    Other tournie got 3k from 5k, i need to get moving in both torunies
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: MTT Live Thread:
    Fair enough.  Kings call on the river is terrible.   Also never 3x Kings , but min raise weaker opening hands .....  massive give away.
    Posted by 1267
    Thanks yeah, as played, i didnt put him on ace (or str8!) but yeah a bad call.


    20 bigs, fold JQ Suited
    Dodger59 Small blind  150.00 150.00 3430.00
    emerson01 Big blind  300.00 450.00 33630.00
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • J
    		     
    kjackson12 Fold     
    LARSON7 Fold     
    mickee1 Fold     
    Dodger59 Call  150.00 600.00 3280.00
    emerson01 Check  
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  • bolesAAbolesAA Member Posts: 282
    edited July 2013
    good luck, may I suggest 1 thing tho, maybe update either at the breaks or after the tourny. I know you wanted to do a live update but surely soley focusing of the tables will help you gain info and just generally be more focused on the task at hand. 

    I certainly find when I cut all the distractions (i.e facebook, tv, forum etc) I tend to go much further and notice much more. Just an idea :)
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013
    Been reunited with maniac at my table, hopefully i can get that DU
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: MTT Live Thread:
    First big pot: River: I should of prob stuck in a value bet, just hated th open ended straight draw x Small blind   40.00 40.00 4990.00 Haemophile Big blind   80.00 120.00 3504.50   Your hole cards 7 7       LARSON7 Raise   160.00 280.00 5215.00 tybz Fold         mickee1 Fold         DevilMelv Fold         x Call   120.00 400.00 4870.00 Haemophile Fold         Flop     4 7 K       x  Bet   240.00 640.00 4630.00 LARSON7 Call   240.00 880.00 4975.00 Turn     5       x  Bet   440.00 1320.00 4190.00 LARSON7 Raise   1320.00 2640.00 3655.00 x Call   880.00 3520.00 3310.00 River     6       x Check         LARSON7 Check         x Show K 9       LARSON7 Show 7 7       LARSON7 Win Three 7s 3520
    Posted by LARSON7
    It's not the best runout. But we gotta ask ourselves, bearing in mind how the hand played out, how many 8s or 3s are in our oppo's range? On a K75 board, would our villain donk lead with a hand that contained either an 8 or 3? And what 8 or 3 could they really have? K8 maybe. Would be a strange line to take with pocket 8s or 3s. But think of all the hands they could have that we can get value from on the river. Numerous 2 pairs, Kx hands plus set's that have equally got scared of the run out.
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013

    Out of both Tournies lol

    These are the exit hands,

    fr4nkie Small blind  75.00 75.00 4170.00
    gritpipe Big blind  150.00 225.00 2830.00
      Your hole cards
    • 10
    • A
    		     
    Andyl1986 Raise  450.00 675.00 5805.00
    hopalong26 Fold     
    LARSON7 All-in  2592.50 3267.50 0.00
    HOLDemHIGH Fold     
    fr4nkie Fold     
    gritpipe Fold     
    Andyl1986 Call  2142.50 5410.00 3662.50
    Andyl1986 Show
    • K
    • K
    		   
    LARSON7 Show
    • 10
    • A
    		   
    Flop
       
    • 8
    • 5
    • 3
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 2
    		     
    River
       
    • K
    		     
    Andyl1986 Win Three Kings 5410
    bilkow1 Small blind 150.00 150.00 6075.00
    emerson01 Big blind  300.00 450.00 30330.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • Q
    		     
    kjackson12 Raise  600.00 1050.00 14578.50
    LARSON7 All-in  4925.00 5975.00 0.00
    TKR666 Fold     
    bilkow1 All-in  6075.00 12050.00 0.00
    emerson01 Fold     
    kjackson12 Fold     
    bilkow1 Unmatched bet  1300.00 10750.00 1300.00
    bilkow1 Show
    • A
    • K
    		   
    LARSON7 Show
    • A
    • Q
    		   
    Flop
       
    • 2
    • 10
    • 9
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 8
    		     
    River
       
    • 3
    		     
    bilkow1 Win Ace high 10750
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013
    Was a fun couple of hours, never really had much run good, best hand was the set of 7s.

    The hands up here (this is my take on them):

    Pocket 8s, 1267 i said i think he has air, cause he folded for 400 into a pot of 1500. I bet small for a reason, which i won't go into,was happy to see the fold. Maybe it was a lower pocket pair. He's not that strong, imo, folding to such a small bet.

    Set of 7s, like the call on the flop, like the raise on the turn, on the river yeah, i know better players are betting there. Definatly missed out on value. I was thinking, i don't want to bet and be reraised, if he reraises i'm never folding. Took the easy path, checking.

    A8 that was just terrible! and should of been a fold pre.

    With the kings hand, the small bet, less than 1/3rd pot, it could be a queen/ raggy ace. Never putting oppo on a gut shot lol, i think i need to repop it here. On the turn, it's an even smaller bet, i think i am good here, but don't want to enfate the pot incase it is a raggy ace. On the river,hits his gut shot x2! He could still be doing this with a queen, it is such a small bet 750 into 2175, i don't totally hate the call here. But maybe i've just got that wrong?

    Boles yeah you are spot on! I just wanted to do this for my 1st 2 games, might give something else like this a go in a couple of weeks with a good few games played. And hopefully the nxt time i've got a bit more run good!

    1267 yeah mate you are right about bet sizing being a tell. However, on the table, there was quite a lot of loose calls getting made, a min raise could see 3/4 callers. I don't want to be seeing a flop multi-way.

    At higher levels, a min raise does the job, it's a lot looser at the lower levels.
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  • bolesAAbolesAA Member Posts: 282
    edited July 2013
    defo keep updating and trying new things. For me concentration is the key but I can imagine a lot of people will give you the same advice. 

    The other thing I will say on that matter is make sure when you enter a tourny you are up for a long game. For example this evening I was well up for a game, but I realised I was shattered from work and although I fancied a game, I knew I would lack the concentration or patience to do well. When you play cash you can always log quick 30 min session and if you don't feel it come away with little damage, with tournys you waste a big in and these soon add up (I know) 

    anyhow i def think you got the right plan, stick with the low buy in deepies and you will get loads of play, loads of different spots to anaylise and before long your MTT game will come on leaps and bounds 
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  • bbMikebbMike Member Posts: 3,722
    edited July 2013
    Hey Larson, interesting idea. Agree with Andy that posting Live probably not a good idea, especially as you're not likely to be getting much Live feedback that's going to help. Definitely interesting following the play at different stages of a tournament, so note down your hand IDs and post them when you're done, stay focussed.

    KK, just let them go! I don't think we should ever just shut our ears and eyes and say "I don't put you on an ace", the turn card is not good as it brings in QJ but also means there are lots of horrible rivers we don't want to see, and the extra J on the river doesn't help.  He's donked 3 times...

    Set of 7s. Tough to bet-call that river, and I wouldn't want to bet fold. I don't mind a check behind to seal it and move on, but I can definitely understand that the 3 or 8 should never be in the range.

    First exit, oppo 3x raise UTG, I personally wait for a better spot, we're only getting called by better than ATo and can sit for a couple more orbits before doing anything we might regret. But better players than me might disagree. Second exit is pretty standard.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited July 2013
    Yeah i wouldnt post live. 

    If you have sticky notes put HH ID in that with your thought process and post up later imo. Also allows u to review more. 

    Will have a proper look tomorrow (not in great mindset) and give some opinions. 
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  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited July 2013
    most obv concern is the bet sizing - too early to be 2xing with the A rag - yes fold pre but if you want to play it make it look like KK not A rag!

    gr8 idea - but hard not to distract yourself.......
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