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FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment.

sighcallsighcall Member Posts: 497
edited July 2013 in The Poker Clinic
You said in chatbox that i should of stacked u, i assumed it was this hand? Be appreciated if you could explain how. If u want me to take yr name out i will do so.
ThanksPlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancesighcallSmall blind £0.50£0.50£102.15SmitalosBig blind £1.00£1.50£249.10 Your hole cards53   sighcallRaise £2.50£4.00£99.65SmitalosCall £2.00£6.00£247.10Flop  395   SmitalosCheck    sighcallBet £4.50£10.50£95.15SmitalosCall £4.50£15.00£242.60Turn  6   SmitalosCheck    sighcallCheck    River  3   SmitalosBet £4.00£19.00£238.60sighcallRaise £13.50£32.50£81.65SmitalosCall £9.50£42.00£229.10sighcallShow53   SmitalosMuck3A   sighcallWinFull House, 3s and 5s£41.00 £122.65
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited July 2013
    Can't see stack sizes but why did you not bet the turn?
  • sighcallsighcall Member Posts: 497
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment.:
    Can't see stack sizes but why did you not bet the turn?
    Posted by Lambert180
    to see stack sizes jutst highlight and drag right lol. bit strange.

    and reason for not betting was that i thourght i would scare off anything worse than my hand and better hands could 3 bet me then what do i do?

    hoping i could get value from a 9 or something on the river, trying to make myself look weak
  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment.:
    In Response to Re: FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment. : to see stack sizes jutst highlight and drag right lol. bit strange. and reason for not betting was that i thourght i would scare off anything worse than my hand and better hands could 3 bet me then what do i do? hoping i could get value from a 9 or something on the river, trying to make myself look weak
    Posted by sighcall
    Smitalos likes to say "in before..." things, so allow me to get in before smitalos rips into you for this post.

    You can't assume that smitalos is never calling with worse than two pair on the turn, neither should you be fearing that you might be raised (It would be a raise, not a 3-bet). Okay, he might raise you but you ought to have some idea of what that might mean and you can still be called by quite a few worse hands. How often does smitalos actually have a set or better two pair on this board? How easy is it for him to put you on a two-pair hand here? The only reason not to bet is that you think he sees you as a nit who only double barrels when you're massive.

    How does raising small on the river make you look weak? The small raise looks like big strength, most of the time, because you're unlikely to be bluffing with that sizing. It just looks like you're desperate for value, which you are.

    Seeing stacks, it's tough for you to actually get stacks unless smitalos actually raises at some point... However, it may be possible if you just bet three streets rather than checking back the turn.
  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited July 2013
    If you are comfortable playing any two junky cards otb, which you clearly are, then why not continue value betting when you hit two pair! Just does not make much sense to check the turn.


  • _ARAZI__ARAZI_ Member Posts: 549
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment.:
    If you are comfortable playing any two junky cards otb, which you clearly are, then why not continue value betting when you hit two pair! Just does not make much sense to check the turn.
    Posted by GREGHOGG


    +1
  • LnarinOOLnarinOO Member Posts: 545
    edited July 2013
    id be embarrassed to post this hand and ask a question..!!! 
  • sighcallsighcall Member Posts: 497
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment.:
    id be embarrassed to post this hand and ask a question..!!! 
    Posted by LnarinOO
    can you expand?
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment.:
    In Response to Re: FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment. : can you expand?
    Posted by sighcall
    I'm guessing he means you massively capped how big a pot you can win by not betting the turn, when we're in IP so in total control and can make sure we never miss a street of betting when we have 2pr and are getting called by a ridic amount of worse hands... especially when it's Smitty! ;)
  • LnarinOOLnarinOO Member Posts: 545
    edited July 2013
    because u asked a stupid question ......

    You said in chatbox that i should of stacked u, i assumed it was this hand? 

    Be appreciated if you could explain how. If u want me to take yr name out i will do so.


    bet turn lolololololol
  • sighcallsighcall Member Posts: 497
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment.:
    because u asked a stupid question ...... You said in chatbox that i should of stacked u, i assumed it was this hand?  Be appreciated if you could explain how . If u want me to take yr name out i will do so. bet turn lolololololol
    Posted by LnarinOO
    Yes but that still doesnt explain how.

    He calls bottom pair with another bet? Then gets it all in on the river. It doesnt make sence?

    lol
  • offshootoffshoot Member Posts: 1,049
    edited July 2013
    99% of what smitalos says is rubbish so i wouldn't spend too long thinking about it.
  • seppeseppe Member Posts: 287
    edited July 2013
    got to laugh, plays any 2 hits the near world craps himself stops bettin then hits the world & hes cool
  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,494
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment.:
    got to laugh, plays any 2 hits the near world craps himself stops bettin then hits the world & hes cool
    Posted by seppe
    lols
  • seppeseppe Member Posts: 287
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment.:
    In Response to Re: FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment. : lols
    Posted by LARSON7

    true tho
  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,494
    edited July 2013
    it's all good seppe
  • SmitalosSmitalos Member Posts: 539
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment.:
    99% of what smitalos says is rubbish so i wouldn't spend too long thinking about it.
    Posted by offshoot
    I smell ego.
    fwiw I love you too buddy <3


    sighcall, you couldn't have stacked me dw. Maybe made a tad more, mayyyyyyyyybe. But on the whole I think you got pretty much the max in this particular spot. For sure bet the turn though.
    nh sir
  • LnarinOOLnarinOO Member Posts: 545
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment.:
    In Response to Re: FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment. : Yes but that still doesnt explain how. He calls bottom pair with another bet? Then gets it all in on the river. It doesnt make sence? lol
    Posted by sighcall

    oh i get it, u can hand read well enough to know that he had bttm pair only in his spot and was never callin... now i understand the check on the turn.... why nt say that in the 1st place..??? would have made it much clearer...!
  • sighcallsighcall Member Posts: 497
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment.:
    got to laugh, plays any 2 hits the near world craps himself stops bettin then hits the world & hes cool
    Posted by seppe
    lol how is bottom 2 the near world. 1010+ he raises pre so no credit for that. So what hand can he have that will call a turn bet, that i beat? A9?

    am i compeletly missing the plot?
  • sighcallsighcall Member Posts: 497
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment.:
    In Response to Re: FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment. : I smell ego. fwiw I love you too buddy <3 sighcall, you couldn't have stacked me dw. Maybe made a tad more, mayyyyyyyyybe. But on the whole I think you got pretty much the max in this particular spot. For sure bet the turn though. nh sir
    Posted by Smitalos
    can someone explain a reaon for this hah, it seems to be just 'because u have to'

    as far as i can see i aint betting on turn to bluff, and i cant see many hands that will call me that arnt ahead, so i am not betting for value?
  • sighcallsighcall Member Posts: 497
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment.:
    In Response to Re: FAO : Smitalos - Anyone else feel free to comment. : oh i get it, u can hand read well enough to know that he had bttm pair only in his spot and was never callin... now i understand the check on the turn.... why nt say that in the 1st place..??? would have made it much clearer...!
    Posted by LnarinOO
    cant tell if this is sarcasm or not haha
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