In Response to Re: FAO Smitalos : It's just finding the trickery behind the 27+2, when it needs to be 27 MINUS 2. Had me for a while, was getting pretty pi ssed I couldn't find a better way of explaining my thought process, haha! Speaking of brainteasers, keep an eye out tomorrow in the forum sir! Posted by Smitalos
I'm not defending Smtty or Kicking.....errr.....I mean Kissing his behind but........I would like to defend anyone and everyone who has the right to post on a public forum.
We all have opinions and if we want to air those on a public forum, then we have a right to do so and if we have an opinion on a topic which has been posted by someone else on a public forum, then we also have a right to post on that too, as long as we are not insulting, trolling or flaming said poster.
Lets face it....forums would be a very boring place if it were not for the opinion of others and everyone has a right to express there own views & opinions.
If we post on a public forum, then we also have to accept that the fact that others have the right to comment on our posts too and it matters NOT if the topic doesn't concern them or if they know little or nothing about it.
If we do not wish others to post or comment on a particular topic, then we should be asking ourseves why we are posting it on a public forum in the first place?.
If we don't like a particular topic or the way someone else has posted it or expressed their personal opinion, does that make it wrong?......I think not, but we do have the option to express our opinion or ignor it or refrain from posting on it, whichever we may choose, but this does not give us the right to tell people what they can and cannot post on a public forum, this is only defined by the forum rules and the moderators.
We all have our own unique way of posting, some may seem boring, some may seem very extrovert or outlandish, but all unique in there own way. Smitty as an example has a very unique style and anyone who has followed his blogs & vlogs will tell you this - some get it - some don't, but does that make it wrong?.....personally, I don't think there is a right or wrong way to express an opinion but thats just my opinion.
I'm not defending Smtty or Kicking.....errr.....I mean Kissing his behind but........I would like to defend anyone and everyone who has the right to post on a public forum. We all have opinions and if we want to air those on a public forum, then we have a right to do so and if we have an opinion on a topic which has been posted by someone else on a public forum, then we also have a right to post on that too, as long as we are not insulting, trolling or flaming said poster. Lets face it....forums would be a very boring place if it were not for the opinion of others and everyone has a right to express there own views & opinions. If we post on a public forum, then we also have to accept that the fact that others have the right to comment on our posts too and it matters NOT if the topic doesn't concern them or if they know little or nothing about it. If we do not wish others to post or comment on a particular topic, then we should be asking ourseves why we are posting it on a public forum in the first place?. If we don't like a particular topic or the way someone else has posted it or expressed their personal opinion, does that make it wrong?......I think not, but we do have the option to express our opinion or ignor it or refrain from posting on it, whichever we may choose, but this does not give us the right to tell people what they can and cannot post on a public forum, this is only defined by the forum rules and the moderators. We all have our own unique way of posting, some may seem boring, some may seem very extrovert or outlandish, but all unique in there own way. Smitty as an example has a very unique style and anyone who has followed his blogs & vlogs will tell you this - some get it - some don't, but does that make it wrong?.....personally, I don't think there is a right or wrong way to express an opinion but thats just my opinion. Posted by POKERTREV
Spornybol was one of my favourite posters He had a heart of gold! but at times became over emotional He is still banned from the forum. Maybe in the light of this thread Sky might consider Amnesty for Spornybol!!!
In Response to Re: FAO Smitalos : Ok Hope you don,t mind me scrutinising some of your comments from this thread and asking 1 or 2 questions of my own : "Religious, Spiritual, Mesoginistic, Xenophobic, Meat-eating, Pro-Life (RE: abortion), Pro-Animals in entertainment, Anti-Marijuana Legalisation, Patriotic, Army serving members... will probably say my views are the most extreme they've ever met in their entire life ." As you often ask others “Can you please back this up with facts or evidence as i,m intrigued by this comment?
Dude, come on, take a guess. For what reasons do you think people of the above description might not be... that partial to me, and say that I have extreme views? I believe the opposite of those things. I have strong Atheistic, Rationalistic+Secular, Pro-Gender Quality, Norm-challenging, Vegetarian, Pro-Choice (Abortion), Animal Rights Acitivst, Pro-Marijuana Legalisation, Unpatriotic, Anti-Military views.
"If sh it's hitting the fan, I'll be there, basically." What if it’s a topic that doesn,t concern you or something you know little about? Will you still be there?
I'll try to be there for all the important stuff basically. As much as I enjoy chippin' in to help out, I have a life to live too ya know!
"I wasn't going to hold back from putting her in her place." – Doesn,t sound like a very good debater to me and where is “her place” ?
I've already explained this is detail. I tried multiple times to have an intelliable discussion with her, all of which got replies resembling a playground slanging match more than... what I was looking for. At that point, I'd given up on the hopes of a solid debate, and just wanted to kill the discussion AQAP w/o being rude, or insulting them.
"...I'd take satisfaction out of showcasing my incredible intellilect, proving myself by crushing my opponent in a debate, no? (I don't think I'm all that btw! Just making a point!)" – A debate is not a competition or a game of poker and why do you feel the need to prove yourself?
Okay, this is getting a little tedious now man. You've quote-mined me here, so I'll paste the full thing, and expand. The following quote is regarding my reaction at the end of the the thread with Batkin, and whether my final posts should be viewed as egotistical.
"Surely, the most egotistical opition, would have been to continue the discussion, and clean up with my "debating skills". I'd take satisfaction out of showcasing my incredible intellect, proving myself by crushing my opponent in a debate, no? (I don't think I'm all that btw! Just making a point!)"
As this full quote shows, IF I was an egotistical as has been made out itt, why would I end the discussion short of kicking some forum a ss? Why would I pass up on an opportunity to show, crush her points into dust, and really get some verbal vengance on the other person by proving once and for all who's right? The contrary is true. I don't feel a need to prove myself, and hence, I cut the discussion there. Not only did I pose questions to you in this quote abut what my attitude would have been if X Y Z as an example... I quite clearly said I don't actually have those views of the above statement anyway!
"I'd say, I'm a pretty alright kinda guy. Great even. Maybe, I dunno. :P That's for other people to decide." – Pls define great in your own words - not from a dictionary definition copied from google and isn,t that a bit contradictory to the above statement? A little brash, brutally blunt though? Yeah, I can see that. – Heres a little google definition for you : Brash - Self-assertive in a rude, noisy, or overbearing way. Can we agree on that one?
As far as individuals go, I think i'm pretty awesome. I think I've got a great set of morals, and I care deeply for others. I make loads of mistakes still, sure. But I always try to ensure that any, usually just affect me, and often the fault of a 'brainfart' moment where I just derp the **** out. I'm not gunna go on a mass tirade with a mass of reasons. It'd just add more fuel to the fire that I'm an arrogant PoS, for those that want to believe that.
"My posts can at times, lack respect, be a little blunt and direct, and use words/phrases that alienate the readers," I agree but why make assumptions about the forum members on whether they understand your words or phrases or not?
Because I've been told first hand that sometimes I do (alienate the readers). Because a decent chunk of what I've said, get's misinterpretted due to too many... complex words and shtuffffffff. And generally speaking, people can get defensive pretty easily in a war of a words against someone who they feel, is not necessarily more knowledgable, but has a wide-vocab, or solid intellect. Maybe my posts are a little formal? But I'd like to think that what I give up in simplicity, I make up for in accuracy.
"I'd love to consider myself (although some may completely disagree) as an educator, a free thinker, and a challenger to the norm & status quo (with the aim of making life a little more pleasant for everyone)." Do you believe the last bit is working from the comments you,ve received?
That's another assumption, that I'm primarily trying to reach out/convince those that I'm directly conversing with. I'm not doing it for them, the close-minded and the easily offended. I'm doing it for the few who stumble across it, and either want to read something they find entertaining, or those that might be sitting on the fence about a subject. In all honesty, from ALL the comments I've recieved, it's working pretty well.
"I didn't want that, and prefered (and almost always do), a civil, mutually agreed, peaceful resolution. Even if we still don't agree with each others points." – I offered you one, as well as an aplogy in my 2 nd post but am still waiting for an answer? Paul Posted by MP33
Dude, what the...?! I gave you one! "Didn't think I was worth it? Haha, okay, I'm not even gunna begin to break that one down, but sure man. Speak up, make yourself heard, and if I'm wrong, show me! Nothing I love more than to correct myself if I'm making mistakes, no matter what it is.
Happy chillaxing to yourself too sir, Smitalos"
I'm getting closer and closer to believing you're levelling itt. Of course I'll try to reply to any comments on the above post AQAP, but note that I've had to repeat myself multiple times now, and it's exhausting bro.
"I'm getting closer and closer to believing you're levelling itt.
I admit my last post was a bit "smitesque" - Breaking everything down and scrutinising it, but i was thinking the same about you after reading some more recent comments and watching a cpl of your videos
I,m sure we could carry on scrutinising each others comments and views, (probably be the longest thread in history) but it seems we,ve both got our messages accross w/o getting thread closed which is an acheivment in itself.
In conclusion - Any propper debate should end with a mutual resolution which we seem to have already agreed on, that i will speak up in future if i disagree with your posts at the time, rather than keep letting it go and having to start a seperate thread to adress my concerns
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We all have opinions and if we want to air those on a public forum, then we have a right to do so and if we have an opinion on a topic which has been posted by someone else on a public forum, then we also have a right to post on that too, as long as we are not insulting, trolling or flaming said poster.
Lets face it....forums would be a very boring place if it were not for the opinion of others and everyone has a right to express there own views & opinions.
If we post on a public forum, then we also have to accept that the fact that others have the right to comment on our posts too and it matters NOT if the topic doesn't concern them or if they know little or nothing about it.
If we do not wish others to post or comment on a particular topic, then we should be asking ourseves why we are posting it on a public forum in the first place?.
If we don't like a particular topic or the way someone else has posted it or expressed their personal opinion, does that make it wrong?......I think not, but we do have the option to express our opinion or ignor it or refrain from posting on it, whichever we may choose, but this does not give us the right to tell people what they can and cannot post on a public forum, this is only defined by the forum rules and the moderators.
We all have our own unique way of posting, some may seem boring, some may seem very extrovert or outlandish, but all unique in there own way. Smitty as an example has a very unique style and anyone who has followed his blogs & vlogs will tell you this - some get it - some don't, but does that make it wrong?.....personally, I don't think there is a right or wrong way to express an opinion but thats just my opinion.
He had a heart of gold! but at times became over emotional
He is still banned from the forum.
Maybe in the light of this thread Sky might consider Amnesty for Spornybol!!!
In Response to MP33 Dude, come on, take a guess. For what reasons do you think people of the above description might not be... that partial to me, and say that I have extreme views?
I believe the opposite of those things.
I have strong Atheistic, Rationalistic+Secular, Pro-Gender Quality, Norm-challenging, Vegetarian, Pro-Choice (Abortion), Animal Rights Acitivst, Pro-Marijuana Legalisation, Unpatriotic, Anti-Military views.
I'll try to be there for all the important stuff basically. As much as I enjoy chippin' in to help out, I have a life to live too ya know!
I've already explained this is detail. I tried multiple times to have an intelliable discussion with her, all of which got replies resembling a playground slanging match more than... what I was looking for. At that point, I'd given up on the hopes of a solid debate, and just wanted to kill the discussion AQAP w/o being rude, or insulting them. Okay, this is getting a little tedious now man. You've quote-mined me here, so I'll paste the full thing, and expand.
The following quote is regarding my reaction at the end of the the thread with Batkin, and whether my final posts should be viewed as egotistical.
"Surely, the most egotistical opition, would have been to continue the discussion, and clean up with my "debating skills". I'd take satisfaction out of showcasing my incredible intellect, proving myself by crushing my opponent in a debate, no? (I don't think I'm all that btw! Just making a point!)"
As this full quote shows, IF I was an egotistical as has been made out itt, why would I end the discussion short of kicking some forum a ss? Why would I pass up on an opportunity to show, crush her points into dust, and really get some verbal vengance on the other person by proving once and for all who's right?
The contrary is true. I don't feel a need to prove myself, and hence, I cut the discussion there. Not only did I pose questions to you in this quote abut what my attitude would have been if X Y Z as an example...
I quite clearly said I don't actually have those views of the above statement anyway!
As far as individuals go, I think i'm pretty awesome. I think I've got a great set of morals, and I care deeply for others. I make loads of mistakes still, sure. But I always try to ensure that any, usually just affect me, and often the fault of a 'brainfart' moment where I just derp the **** out. I'm not gunna go on a mass tirade with a mass of reasons. It'd just add more fuel to the fire that I'm an arrogant PoS, for those that want to believe that.
Because I've been told first hand that sometimes I do (alienate the readers). Because a decent chunk of what I've said, get's misinterpretted due to too many... complex words and shtuffffffff. And generally speaking, people can get defensive pretty easily in a war of a words against someone who they feel, is not necessarily more knowledgable, but has a wide-vocab, or solid intellect. Maybe my posts are a little formal? But I'd like to think that what I give up in simplicity, I make up for in accuracy. That's another assumption, that I'm primarily trying to reach out/convince those that I'm directly conversing with. I'm not doing it for them, the close-minded and the easily offended. I'm doing it for the few who stumble across it, and either want to read something they find entertaining, or those that might be sitting on the fence about a subject. In all honesty, from ALL the comments I've recieved, it's working pretty well.
I gave you one!
"Didn't think I was worth it? Haha, okay, I'm not even gunna begin to break that one down, but sure man. Speak up, make yourself heard, and if I'm wrong, show me! Nothing I love more than to correct myself if I'm making mistakes, no matter what it is.
Happy chillaxing to yourself too sir,
Smitalos"
I'm getting closer and closer to believing you're levelling itt. Of course I'll try to reply to any comments on the above post AQAP, but note that I've had to repeat myself multiple times now, and it's exhausting bro.
Take it easy.